Firm Foundation Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, David1701 said: I agree that people can think that they are saved, when they are not; but those who have been saved know that they are saved. Assurance of salvation is a mark of being one of the elect. 1 Thess. 1:4,5 (MKJV) 4 knowing, beloved brothers, your election of God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. Paul said he kept his body in subjection so that after preaching the gospel to others, he wouldn't be a castaway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 Just now, Firm Foundation said: Thank goodness we can agree that heaven won't be full of unrepentant scoundrels like that just because they believe in Jesus! They don't really believe in Jesus, that's the whole point. They could have mental assent to facts; but they don't believe in him (trust in, cling to and rely upon him, in a relationship that works by love). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 Just now, Firm Foundation said: Paul said he kept his body in subjection so that after preaching the gospel to others, he wouldn't be a castaway. A discarded preacher is a sad thing; but, if he has been born again, although he could have been sidelined, as far as ministry is concerned, he is still saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, David1701 said: A discarded preacher is a sad thing; but, if he has been born again, although he could have been sidelined, as far as ministry is concerned, he is still saved. That is clearly speaking of losing his salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: That is clearly speaking of losing his salvation. No, it is not. Do you see how useless such statements are? If you want to provide some exegesis, then feel free; but simply claiming that it means losing salvation is empty rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 Just now, David1701 said: No, it is not. Do you see how useless such statements are? If you want to provide some exegesis, then feel free; but simply claiming that it means losing salvation is empty rhetoric. You didn't provide any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: You didn't provide any. The one who makes the claim, has the responsibility to provide evidence for it. You claimed that Paul was speaking of losing salvation; but you provided no evidence, so there was nothing of substance for me to reply to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, David1701 said: No, it is not. Do you see how useless such statements are? If you want to provide some exegesis, then feel free; but simply claiming that it means losing salvation is empty rhetoric. Paul just got through saying that he keeps under his body and brings it into subjection, so that after preaching to others, he won't be a castaway, not so he won't lose his ministry. Your interpretation makes no sense. He is saying he led others to be saved but he can still be lost. That is in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, David1701 said: The one who makes the claim, has the responsibility to provide evidence for it. You claimed that Paul was speaking of losing salvation; but you provided no evidence, so there was nothing of substance for me to reply to. You made the ludicrous claim he was in danger of losing his ministry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted December 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.54 Reputation: 3,522 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 29, 2019 Just now, Firm Foundation said: Paul just got through saying that he keeps under his body and brings it into subjection, so that after preaching to others, he won't be a castaway, not so he won't lose his ministry. Your interpretation makes no sense. He is saying he led others to be saved but he can still be lost. That is in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. You are begging the question, which is, what does "castaway" mean, in this context. That is what you need to demonstrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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