johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: Godly repentance leads to salvation. I repented years ago, and was born again. Now when I sin, I can repent or not repent, but remain saved, because only imperfect saints will be perfected when we meet Jesus. When we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 58 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: When we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent? I have reasons: 1) My definition of repentance is biblical, missing the mark, that is, imperfection 2) No one has practical time to repent about imperfect work or anything else, we are to pray without ceasing, not repent without ceasing 3) Repentance led to salvation, it is not how I assure salvation 4) I save repentance for bigger stumbles where relationships are affected or where I need to change my life more significantly/bigger sins I believe you have a cultic non-standard understanding of repentance that most born agains, evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, etc. lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: I have reasons: 1) My definition of repentance is biblical, missing the mark, that is, imperfection 2) No one has practical time to repent about imperfect work or anything else, we are to pray without ceasing, not repent without ceasing 3) Repentance led to salvation, it is not how I assure salvation 4) I save repentance for bigger stumbles where relationships are affected or where I need to change my life more significantly/bigger sins I believe you have a cultic non-standard understanding of repentance that most born agains, evangelical, charismatic, pentecostal, etc. lack Jesus commanded us not to sin. Is there any reason to disobey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,147 Content Per Day: 4.60 Reputation: 27,843 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: hen we sin, we get into trouble. Why wouldn't you repent? Blessings John What kind of trouble is that? I can understand that when we sin there are consequences for an action or a reprocussion for it .....For example,I steal a candy bar,I get arrested,I feel horrible for having done it & then I have to pay restitution to the store(those are consequences & reprocussions) Now,I have question for you....I stole a candy bar ,suffered the same consequences,I feel remorse but I've obviously not yet repented because I do it again and then I got hit by a car & die......what happens to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: Jesus commanded us not to sin. Is there any reason to disobey? Yes! To "not sin" from the Greek is to be PERFECT. That means if I preach for an hour and get a prompt to go a second hour, and say, "No, I need to go do something else now," I've SINNED. You have Command > Obey Enough > Heaven comes from GOOD WORKS, lawful not sinning. Bible is ALL disobey including born again believers > trust Jesus to cover your disobedience BEFORE and AFTER being saved > Jesus transforms to perfect LATER. 1 John says if you say you have no sin you are a liar and not born again. Are you claiming to be sinless or to sometimes sin, then repent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: I disagree. We've all sinned, but Jesus commanded us to repent. He also commanded us this way. "you must be born again"... So, if you repent, but you are not born again, you are still just as lost as any other follower of the Devil. Repenting is NOTHING without the New Birth.........nothing. Edited March 27, 2020 by Behold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, kwikphilly said: Blessings John What kind of trouble is that? I can understand that when we sin there are consequences for an action or a reprocussion for it .....For example,I steal a candy bar,I get arrested,I feel horrible for having done it & then I have to pay restitution to the store(those are consequences & reprocussions) Now,I have question for you....I stole a candy bar ,suffered the same consequences,I feel remorse but I've obviously not yet repented because I do it again and then I got hit by a car & die......what happens to me? If you want to know what kind of trouble you get into when you sin, go ahead sin and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Billiards Ball said: Yes! To "not sin" from the Greek is to be PERFECT. That means if I preach for an hour and get a prompt to go a second hour, and say, "No, I need to go do something else now," I've SINNED. You have Command > Obey Enough > Heaven comes from GOOD WORKS, lawful not sinning. Bible is ALL disobey including born again believers > trust Jesus to cover your disobedience BEFORE and AFTER being saved > Jesus transforms to perfect LATER. 1 John says if you say you have no sin you are a liar and not born again. Are you claiming to be sinless or to sometimes sin, then repent? You sin when, and only when, you break one of the Lord's commandments. Don't be like the Pharisees and make this harder than you have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 39 minutes ago, Behold said: He also commanded us this way. "you must be born again"... So, if you repent, but you are not born again, you are still just as lost as any other follower of the Devil. Repenting is NOTHING without the New Birth.........nothing. If you follow Jesus you WILL be born again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: If you follow Jesus you WILL be born again. Does that include Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and similar cults? They all say they are following Him..... and some of these even have the most beautiful statues of His Mother right there beside His Statue, that you've ever seen. So, i think what you are meaning is .....if we by faith BELIEVE IN JESUS as our Savior, then God will Have us as His own. (Born again). Edited March 27, 2020 by Behold 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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