Suicide

[yomotalking]

I'm glad you weren't getting mad.

You sounded a little heavy on what I was saying.

Yomo

[Constant]

I'm glad you weren't getting mad.

You sounded a little heavy on what  I was saying.

Yomo

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was irritated with what you said. You made it sound like if you kill yourself God will understand because Jesus died for our suicide. You won't go to hell. That really ticked me off BUT, I got over it because it is your opinion.

[godslilpromise]

everyone knows suicide is wrong. killing oneself is not exactly something people do for kicks or because they are selfishly thinking, like when someone is greedy with money or power. they are usually in terrible pain or at the end of their rope and nobody will help. problems mount up and its all to much to take. i personally have known two people in my life that have chosen suicide as a way out. and only one of them was really mourned over by the people that had something to do with why they took their life! one was my cousin. he died at age 21, he killed himself in his own van at a stop light. he was handsome, had a wife and a small daughter. everybody in the family thought he had everything to live for. but inside his head was a story nobody knew about! he chose to take his life. nobody really knows exactly why. it was a drastic thing for him to do. to this day our family still misses him. he was a special person and very compassionate and tried to be strong for everybody. he was not a evil hater. the other person was my co-worker. he was trying to be a vice prez. of the well known retail chain i work for. he was also very helpful and nobody ever knew of his problems he was always helping with everybody elses! he walked into the ocean and his body floated to shore within a matter of hours. everybody who knew him was shocked and devastated. the corporation had fired him early that morning, he was loosing his wife due to divorce and had just bought a brand new car as well as being 50,000 in debt due to his wife's spending habits. sometimes choices and problems build up and people due foolish things to escape it, like suicide. who knows if they will go to hell, but i hope that the lord jesus christ has mercy, no i know for a fact he has unsurppassing mercy for us. even the scriptures says that. maybe if they had known how much someone loved them they would not have wanted to die but would have been able to love themselves enough to know their lives never should have been taken by their own hand. god bless everybody on this board and everybody who is living.(and not)

[Iryssa]

Back in the day (*grins at the expression*), when I was having suicidal thoughts, I read a book where the main character contemplated suicide. In the books, Thomas Covenant has Hansen's Disease (you'll know it as Leprosy)...his wife left him, taking his son, no one in the town wanted to go near him, people even wanted him driven out of town, and stuck a razor blade into a piece of bread (which he bit into and cut himself) to give him the message. Suicide seemed like an easy way out of his lonely, numb existence. You know what he said though? "It's not that easy."

That became my refrain, as it was his. God worked through The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant to keep me alive. *rueful grin*

Anyway, remember; it's not that easy. When something LOOKS like an easy way out, it really isn't...and don't be afraid to be stubbourn.

[godslilpromise]

but suicide IS an easy way out of your problems. it's permanent and the people who commit it are not thinking straight. they are driven to the edge with whatever makes them do it. i do firmly believe it is the devil at work when someone commits suicide, EVEN if those circumstances are in place. i'm not condoning suicide by any means. what i am saying is that i dont think everybody who commits it will go to hell at the judgement. it does depend on the reasons what happened. but then again im not god this is only my belief. i have had the issue to deal with due to clinical depression and i am not proud of it and i know that god saved me from doing it a lot of times because of the fact that suicide can take you to hell. maybe you were a good person and committed no other wrongs, but then commit suicide as a result of other peoples wrongs against you. would you really want to take a chance with the judgement and do a wait and see thing with what God decides. it IS a sin, but i am also talking about forgiveness which the Lord has much of. and ultimately in the end he will make that choice. our job is to not promote the work of the devil by letting something we say cause someone to go over the edge.

[Iryssa]

but suicide IS an easy way out of your problems.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure, in the earthly world. But what about afterwards? Even if we don't go to hell when we die, God still holds us accountable for the things we do.

[godslilpromise]

nobody can really answer that question. i have never heard anybody talk about what happened when they tried to commit suicide and didnt succedd. nobody knows where the dead goes for a fact. i just believe that god will decide what happens to those that commit suicide. we can have our own opinions. nothing in this world is a guarantee it seems. even people on this board dispute whether being saved keeps you from hell with nothing being able to change that. it seems there is nothing written in granite anywhere in the bible. you can loose your salvation by being unrighteous. it does say in scripture that murderers idolaters and cowards wont get into heaven. but says nothing about the sick and the weak. what about those who are in so much pain due to mental or physical illness that take their own life. if god allows this horrific exsistence for some why? why would he judge those people and commit them to hell for being weak and stupid and afraid?

Edited July 15, 2005 by godslilpromise

[Iryssa]

I never said anything about going to hell. (I challenge you to show me where, if you think I did) But I believe that we will all need to give an account for the things we have done before God. I don't know about you, but that's not something I'd want to explain to Him.

[godslilpromise]

i wont because i was just posting not arguing. god bless

[Iryssa]

If that's the case, then I apologize; it simply looked like it from the way your post was worded in response to mine.