The last seven years of plenty followed by seven years of desolation is the Great Tribulation.

[R. Hartono]

When Joseph was in Egypt he interpreted Pharaoh's dream of the coming seven years of plenty followed by seven years of severe desolation to the land.

We dont know when the 7 years of the Great Tribulation will begin but the saints will still be able to produce the last fruit of the land when the rapture takes place, which ends the "7 years of plenty" of our present church age situation.

So the rapture will end this last 7 years of plenty of the field  : Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

How can we see the sign of the last 7 years of plenty ? I have no idea.

We have heard of St. Malachy prophecy about the last pope called Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations. If thus so, and if this "feed his flock amid many tribulations" speak about the last 7 years of desolation, then can his appearance may sign the last 7 years of plenty ? This is only a guess, Malachy's prophecy is about Pope leading his flock amid many tribulations which has yet to come, while obviously the church of Jesus has been taken as the Great Multitude before the Throne during the Great Tribulation. Pope is now 84 years old, how long has God given to spare his breath until the Armageddon battle ? 

Pope Francis was elected on 13 March 2013, he will be serving his office for 7 years by March FRIDAY THE 13TH 2020.

The Great Tribulation will begin with the opening of the 1st Seal when antichrist is empowered to conquer the whole world with PEACE COVENANTS, especially between Israel-Arabs enemies.

 

 

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Edited March 9, 2020 by R. Hartono

[iamlamad]

On 3/5/2020 at 5:53 AM, R. Hartono said:

When Joseph was in Egypt he interpreted Pharaoh's dream of the coming seven years of plenty followed by seven years of severe desolation to the land.

We dont know when the 7 years of the Great Tribulation will begin but the saints will still be able to produce the last fruit of the land when the rapture takes place, which ends the "7 years of plenty" of our present church age situation.

So the rapture will end this last 7 years of plenty of the field  : Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

How can we see the sign of the last 7 years of plenty ? I have no idea.

We have heard of St. Malachy prophecy about the last pope called Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations. If thus so, and if this "feed his flock amid many tribulations" speak about the last 7 years of desolation, then can his appearance may sign the last 7 years of plenty ? This is only a guess, Malachy's prophecy is about Pope leading his flock amid many tribulations which has yet to come, while obviously the church of Jesus has been taken as the Great Multitude before the Throne during the Great Tribulation. Pope is now 84 years old, how long has God given to spare his breath until the Armageddon battle ? 

Pope Francis was elected on 13 March 2013, he will be serving his office for 7 years by March FRIDAY THE 13TH 2020.

The Great Tribulation will begin with the opening of the 1st Seal when antichrist is empowered to conquer the whole world with PEACE COVENANTS, especially between Israel-Arabs enemies.

Not really true: the first seal is to represent the gospel sent to the nations.

Seal 5 is where the church is now, waiting on martyrs. Judgment is not going to start until the full number of martyrs is in: God knows the number. That number will end when the church age ends, and the church age will end with the pretrib rapture.  So when does the 70th week begin? Not until the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment. The man of sin will confirm some covenant when the 7th seal is opened. 

[R. Hartono]

On 3/26/2020 at 7:26 AM, iamlamad said:

Not really true: the first seal is to represent the gospel sent to the nations.

Gospel sent to gentiles long be4 apostle John rcvd the Revelation, why should he rcvd the things he already know ? Useless information.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

Gospel sent to gentiles long be4 apostle John rcvd the Revelation, why should he rcvd the things he already know ? Useless information.

I am not sure God or John would take kindly to you calling anything in His book "useless!" 

The answer is so simple, it went right over your head.  God wanted to introduce "the book with 7 seals" to John and so to us. Why?  Ask HIM. It is the means God will use to dethrone Satan and give the planet back to Jesus Christ. It is therefore a most important book. I think it is the lease document to earth. I also think it is a legal document prepared in the throne room of heaven.  Because of the seals and the content of the seals, I am also convinced Satan had something to do with it, after he became the god of this world. It is absolute fact and absolute truth that if God could not find someone worthy to open the seals, Satan would stay in his position as the god of this world forever.

Since this is a legal document prepared in heaven, Nothing written on any seal or inside the book can take place until it becomes legal, by the opening of the seal or the opening of the book - after all 7 seals are opened. In other words, unless someone is found worthy to open the first seal, God cannot send out the church to the world. Unless the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seals are open, Satan cannot legally start wars, bring famines, or pestilences to try and stop the church. This is why I think Satan was in God's face demanding his right to try and stop the advance of the gospel if God was going to send out the church with the gospel to the world.

So God wanted to introduce this book to John, but also wanted to begin the vision while the book was still in the hand of the FAther. Since Jesus took the book and began opening the seals the moment He ascended back into the throne room, this REQUIRED God to show John some events in his past. Since this is what is written, our job is to believe it. The church is now, and has been, at the 5th seal while martyrs are being added. Judgment is not coming until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and the full number of martrys is added. Judgment starts with the 6th seal. The pretrib rapture comes between the 5th and 6th seal. 

[R. Hartono]

As the last 7 years of plenty may hv alrdy passed away, carried with it the last beautiful scent of fading roses flowers of abundancy n adequacy in unjustice n unsharing world of mankind, now comes the harbinger of apocalyptic great Tribulation which makes humble all the proud n ungodly nations.

The day is very late now, too late too late it comes as snare.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 3/5/2020 at 5:53 AM, R. Hartono said:

So the rapture will end this last 7 years of plenty of the field  : Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

So your assumption is based on a pre-tribulation rapture, which is full of holes.  Mat 24:40 happens at the end of the tribulation after the Anti-Christ and after the Sun and Moon going dark.

The scriptures before your scripture state:

Mat 24:29 NKJV - Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

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How can we see the sign of the last 7 years of plenty ? I have no idea.

Your assuming the world has had 7 years of plenty?   I dont think this has been the case.  Maybe America had a few good years but I can not say it has been 7 years of plenty much less for the whole world.  I know 2018 was a of year economic loss for most Americans.

My point is people have been date predicting since the early church and have all been wrong.  Paul say that day will not come until the great fall away of many believers.   We need to be praying that we are not of those whom will fall away.  Luk 21:36 NKJV - "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

2Th 2:3-8 NKJV - Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains [will do so] until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, JasonPerkins said:

Mat 24:40 happens at the end of the tribulation after the Anti-Christ and after the Sun and Moon going dark.

The scriptures before your scripture state:

Mat 24:29 NKJV - Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken

 

How cud two work in the field when the sun is already darkened Perkins ?

The sun shall b darkened by the 4th trumpets which is after the burning of third part of grass n trees, n after a kind of asteroid strikes the earth n after a kind of long comet fall n contaminated water sources with cosmic radiation/wormwood. God will serve the world with wormwood coffee, not His bride. Unless we are left behind.

People cannot work in the field any more with such catastrophies n crops wont b available, the rest of the panicked world will hoard the remainings of previous food crop. So that two worked in the field happened when the sun still shine enable them to work in the field.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 4/7/2020 at 10:02 PM, R. Hartono said:

How cud two work in the field when the sun is already darkened Perkins ?

The sun shall b darkened by the 4th trumpets which is after the burning of third part of grass n trees, n after a kind of asteroid strikes the earth n after a kind of long comet fall n contaminated water sources with cosmic radiation/wormwood. God will serve the world with wormwood coffee, not His bride. Unless we are left behind.

People cannot work in the field any more with such catastrophies n crops wont b available, the rest of the panicked world will hoard the remainings of previous food crop. So that two worked in the field happened when the sun still shine enable them to work in the field.

 

 

In Mat 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.  The disciples ask Jesus what will be the sign of the your coming and the end of the world.  Jesus gives them a long list of signs to be looking for and not once in the list of signs ever mentions a pre-tribulation rapture event.  You would think the rapture being such a huge event, he would had mentioned this as one of the signs leading up to the end of the world.  Not one hint of a pre-trib rapture mentioned.  The only evidence of a rapture mentioned is the one at the end of the great tribulation at his coming.

Mat 24:29-31 ESV - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24-27 ESV - "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

Luk 21:25-28 ESV - "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Please show me where Jesus mentions a pre-tibulation prior to his 2nd coming from  Mat 24, Luk 21, or Mark 13 where Jesus is teaching the end-time signs and events?

 Jason

Edited April 10, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[R. Hartono]

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

  The only evidence of a rapture mentioned is the one at the end of the great tribulation at his coming.

 

Why would Jesus rapture the  church at the end of great Tribulation when antichrist is dead already n the world return to peace as be4, what's the point of taking believers to the cloud n then make a U-Turn to return them  to earth ?

John say the world Will mourn when they see Jesus coming on cloud with great glory, because Jesus doesnt come to lead them but to leave them to heaven with the raptured church n they mourn as they sense that something Wicked Will befall all the living world.

Edited April 11, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

Why would Jesus rapture the  church at the end of great Tribulation when antichrist is dead already n the world return to peace as be4, what's the point of taking believers to the cloud n then make a U-Turn to return them  to earth ?

John say the world Will mourn when they see Jesus coming on cloud with great glory, because Jesus doesn't come to lead them but to leave them to heaven with the raptured church n they mourn as they sense that something Wicked Will befall all the living world.

I am pointing out that Jesus never taught of pre-tribulation rapture when the disciples asked him what will be the sign of the end times.  If there was a pre-tribulation rapture event Jesus would have made some mention of a rapture prior to the tribulation events, but there is no mention other then the rapture immediately after the tribulation.  To add in this pre-tribulation event  prior to tribulation is adding something to scriptures that simple is not there.  And to say so is also saying there are two separate raptures one prior to the tribulation and one immediately after, which is not taught in scriptures.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh