Gershom_young Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 109 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 54 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 16 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: I have to agree that is not clear about the circumcision...but I have to consider as to why Moses was relax with the circumcision about his son...is it because himself was not circumcised according to the Jewish customs...as he did not grow under this observance the way his brother Aaron had.. .as he grew around Egyptian religious customs...the Egyptian occult.. I believe there's an extrabiblical text that indicates it was Moses father-in-law who didn't want the first child circumcised, and this was part of the agreement for Moses to marry Zipporah. At the father's-in-law house, perhaps God overlooked this, but after the couple left Jethro, and Moses became responsible, God stopped overlooking. Zipporah must have had some familiarity with circumcision, because she performed one. But only on one son (and not on Moses!) which fits in with the extra-biblical account. 16 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: And why Moses was introduced as an Egyptian to his Midian father in Law.. Who did not have the custom of circumcision.... Do you have the scripture for this? I didn't realise Moses was introduced to Jethro as an Egyptian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 3:59 PM, Your closest friendnt said: Is not quite clear, how the spiritual change? I personally believe before the fall time didn’t exist. Time I believe started after the fall. This is manifested in God saying to Adam, where art thou? God knew where Adam was externally but he asked this question for Adam’s sake for the purpose of helping him realize his state now as being separate from him in a state of duality. In that state of Unity they were always one and united. After the fall they left that state of unity and entered in a state of duality. Genesis 3:22, And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: God had to kick Adam out of the garden so that God could produce a contrast within us through this loss of how we would need a savior to bring us back into unity and harmony back unto himself. He didn’t want man to be sealed in that state of being like God without going through time to understand the value first. Mans time of eating of the tree of life had to be later after man learned a few things. To bring this contrast home to our understanding he brought the law to illustrate our great need of him. In Unity before the fall we didn’t understand our need or the value of our oneness with him until the fall of Adam. This journey of man is illuminated by the story of the parodical son. Through the loss of the parodical son he realized his inheritance and value of being united with his father. The other son didn’t realize this because he was jealous of his brother by him never been thrown a party and having the fatted calf killed for him by his father. The point of the story was he could of had a fatted calf killed for him anytime he wanted but he failed to realize who he was and take advantage of his inheritance as a son. This is what we see today. We see sons acting like servants receiving rewards or tokens when really they were sons that possessed it all to begin with as their God given birthright. Servants only take a cupful of the ocean when the ocean still remains. Are we going to only settle for a cup full? Or are we going to jump into the ocean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Eddy Crocker said: I personally believe before the fall time didn’t exist. Time I believe started after the fall. This is manifested in God saying to Adam, where art thou? What do you do with Genesis 1 then if you think time didn't exist until after the fall? Genesis 1:5 - God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. :8 - So the evening and the morning were the second day. :13 - So the evening and the morning were the third day. :19 - So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. :23 - So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. :31 - So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. A day is a unit of measure within time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Just now, OneLight said: What do you do with Genesis 1 then if you think time didn't exist until after the fall? Genesis 1:5 - God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. :8 - So the evening and the morning were the second day. :13 - So the evening and the morning were the third day. :19 - So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. :23 - So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. :31 - So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. A day is a unit of measure within time. This is only an account of creation given to Moses in a vision. It took seven 24 hour days to show to Moses what God did in a twinkling of his eye. God doesn’t live in the realm of time, we do. Time is eternity in slow motion. This is Gods way to condescend to mans weaknesses. We have to take all the pieces and parts and unity them all together through our faith in order to see the whole. Time is only our way to see what God did like us putting a puzzle together. Through our faith in the Holy Spirit we obtain this full picture even though it may not be seen perfectly we see through a glass darkly and in part. Psalm 33:9 9 For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, OneLight said: What do you do with Genesis 1 then if you think time didn't exist until after the fall? Genesis 1:5 - God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. :8 - So the evening and the morning were the second day. :13 - So the evening and the morning were the third day. :19 - So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. :23 - So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. :31 - So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. A day is a unit of measure within time. Moses got this vision of chapter 1 of Genesis how God created the heavens and the earth in his first 40 day trip up in the mountain. We can see this in Exodus 24:16...., Exodus 24:16 16 And the glory of the Lord abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. After the colon is found in this 16th verse is where Moses was given how a God created the heavens and the earth. When God called out unto Moses in the cloud was where this is revealed unto him. The second 40 day trip of Moses in the Mountain is where we get the second account of the creation story. But now after his first trip he sees it in a more spiritual way than the first because now he sees the fall of man and the genealogies of man and how there was going to be salvation for man because of his fall. This knowledge of a plan of salvation for man was when Moses face shown with the glory of God. This is when he had to put a veil upon his face. Stephen’s face shown as well in..., Acts 6:15 15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. His face shown because he was seeing Jesus as his salvation and hope. Because he seen this same hope for his persecutors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Eddy Crocker said: Moses got this vision of chapter 1 of Genesis how God created the heavens and the earth in his first 40 day trip up in the mountain. We can see this in Exodus 24:16...., How does this support your idea that time did not exist until after the fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,420 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,577 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Time began here before fall Genesis 1:14 (KJV) [14] ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, OneLight said: How does this support your idea that time did not exist until after the fall? Moses received the vision while in time in his 40 day trip in the mountain. Time was not needed before the fall. After the fall time then is needed to restore us back to that place where Adam was but with much more Glory. Everything that was already purposed in God had to be played out or worked out so we can use our wills to help us learn and gain knowledge through the contrast of this fall. This is why Jesus is the priest after the order of Melchizedek because the Melchizedek priesthood was a spiritual priesthood that was in place before Adam sinned. This priesthood was where Spirit law was written on our hearts and minds. We were governed by our conscious before the fall. But after man sinned God said man had become like us and then after that he said he repented in making man. Now man couldn’t trust his heart and mind anymore because God says mans hearts had become continually wicked. This was why God sent the flood. The whole world was baptized or immersed in a burial of that death from the first Adam which was a death sentence upon the whole world. This was why the law to show us our need for a savior. Jesus puts an end to this death sentence which was manifested by and through Arrons priesthood. Jesus changes the water into wine symbolic of a change of priesthood’s from a physical priesthood to a spiritual priesthood. The physical priesthood manifested a duality of service that only covered up our sickness or death sentence. But the Melchizedek priesthood is a spiritual priesthood that brings us into a greater glory of having the law written on our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit. The power of that priesthood was love. Adam and Eve didn’t understand that because they never had that contrast until after the fall. Now we follow because of love and great understanding where the first Adam didn’t or couldn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 15, 2020 30 minutes ago, enoob57 said: Time began here before fall Genesis 1:14 (KJV) [14] ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Yes that’s why God created them for that because that’s what he anticipated them for. But he anticipated them to be that way after the fall. Remember the vision of how God created the heavens and the earth revealed unto MOSES happened after the fall. Moses sees this stuff many years after the fall. God made everything in the context of his foreknowledge. This was his purpose for man to learn from the fall and to use time to bring him back once again in the garden before the fall. This state of bringing us back to that state is where the women goes back into the man which is our husband God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Eddy Crocker said: Moses received the vision while in time in his 40 day trip in the mountain. Time was not needed before the fall. After the fall time then is needed to restore us back to that place where Adam was but with much more Glory. If time was not needed before the fall, why did God divide the day from the night, giving it a time factor of a day? You have not answered that question yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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