Mary Was Just A Woman

[Guest shiloh357]

Oskar Schindler, a Roman Catholic, is regarded as a "righteous gentile" by many Jews for saving the lives of some 3,000

[halifaxchristian]

If the Catholic Church themselves don't deny their evils, why do Catholics feel the need to? I used to be Catholic and anyone with half a pea of a brain (I am serious) would leave that Harlot/Whore Institution. I could quote and quote and quote, but a strong catholic will die a strong catholic...hoping for purgatory. Let the evil be evil still. If a sincere catholic seeks for the truth...he will leave that Devil's habitation. We can't argue them out of indulgences and mysticism. Only the Holy Ghost can lead them. Unfortunately, too many catholics don't want to be led. God bless.

[Kansasdad]

Some of the post in this thread are full of compassion, love and grace. Others are full of hatred, pride, and prejudice. Which ones do you think are of God and which are not. By their fruit you can tell.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

[halifaxchristian]

Some of the post in this thread are full of compassion, love and grace.  Others are full of hatred, pride, and prejudice.  Which ones do you think are of God and which are not.  By their fruit you can tell. 

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

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Kansas Dad, I presume that you are talking about folks like me. I want you to know that I love Catholics very much. My whole family on my father's side is Catholic...I dare say that I love my "daddy". I believe that there is a balance in Scripture. After two or three admonitions, Paul says in Titus 3:10, that we are to reject one as an heretic. I am not saying that in hate, but rather in love. We can't go on and on and on about vain strivings like "is Mary sinless" and nonsense like that if the Word doesn't teach it. The more we argue with them, the more we become like them. I am learning that through debating with Unitarians, etc. Convincing words, quotes, and the like, will never bring one to a saving thirst and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Only a sincere faith, increased and led by the Holy Ghost, can do that. Jesus said that if somebody seeks then they will find. I believe Him. I fully contend that if a Catholic wants to know Christ as He truly is, then he/she will forsake family, houses, lands, or church, if need be, and come to know Him. It is a promise by my Lord and I take Him at His Word. It is not that I don't love my brethren of the flesh, it is my desire that they might be saved...as Paul longed for Israel to be saved. But there came a time when Paul had to say that he would no longer preach to the Jews but unto the Gentiles. Why? Because they rejected the Gospel. They heard it once, twice...ten times...to no avail. Catholics will be Catholics. Sincere seekers will be finders.

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still...and whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."-Revelation 22:11,17

[Assisi]

Assisi,

While the Church Fathers believed in the inspiration and authority of Holy Scripture NONE believed in SOLA Scriptura, that the Scriptures stand ALONE APART from the Tradition or the living Christian faith and the Church's infallible teaching authority

Again this is nothing more that RCC circular reasoning

[apothanein kerdos]

Your knowledge of church history is sad.

Pray tell, when the apologists defended their faith...what did they appeal to. Scripture or tradition?

[Assisi]

If the Catholic Church themselves don't deny their evils, why do Catholics feel the need to?  I used to be Catholic and anyone with half a pea of a brain (I am serious) would leave that Harlot/Whore Institution.  I could quote and quote and quote, but a strong catholic will die a strong catholic...hoping for purgatory.  Let the evil be evil still.  If a sincere catholic seeks for the truth...he will leave that Devil's habitation.  We can't argue them out of indulgences and mysticism.  Only the Holy Ghost can lead them.  Unfortunately, too many catholics don't want to be led.  God bless.

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1Cr 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

[Guest LadyC]

isn't it funny how, when Jesus wanted to make a point, or after his death & resurrection, when his desciples wanted to make a point, they ALWAYS referred back to scripture itself, never to traditions of man?

might i recommend reading this debate between a protestant scholar and a catholic scholar? you will find that every catholic argument against sola scriptura falls completely apart under biblical examination. why? because, as jones points out to matatics, scripture itself insists that only the word of God is authoratative.

[Assisi]

Your knowledge of church history is sad.

Pray tell, when the apologists defended their faith...what did they appeal to. Scripture or tradition?

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How is the believer in Sola Scriptura to TEST "by Scripture" the very traditions upon which the apostolicity and canonicity of the books of Scripture are based? I am referring to the New Testament here. How are the traditions behind the canonicity of the Gospels to be tested?

The only way is by Tradition.

Traditions behind the apostolicity and canonicity of the NT must be accepted by implicit faith in the reliability of the Church which completed the task of "testing" for all Christians today. You have no ability to test these "by Scripture" therefore the above principle as practiced by Protestants is inconsistent.

[Assisi]

isn't it funny how, when Jesus wanted to make a point, or after his death & resurrection, when his desciples wanted to make a point, they ALWAYS referred back to scripture itself, never to traditions of man?

might i recommend reading this debate between a protestant scholar and a catholic scholar? you will find that every catholic argument against sola scriptura falls completely apart under biblical examination. why? because, as jones points out to matatics, scripture itself insists that only the word of God is authoratative.

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Let us look at the words of our Lord in order to see if he used Tradition.

1 Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.

Moses seat is nowhere found in Scripture at all. Thousands of years transpired from the time of Adam to the time of Ezra , to the time of Maccabees in the Catholic Bible, and nowhere is Moses seat ever alluded to in the Old Testament. Here Jesus legitimizes this tradition., He later castigates the Pharisees because they don