R. Hartono Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2020 Matt 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Every christian who spread the good news of Christ Salvation and make people repent has actually opened the kingdom of heaven and bind the people to heaven. It is not owned by the Catholic church as they claim it to be. Any Amen ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMLJA Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/15/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2020 Amen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2020 8 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Every christian who spread the good news of Christ Salvation and make people repent has actually opened the kingdom of heaven and bind the people to heaven. Amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Matt 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Every christian who spread the good news of Christ Salvation and make people repent has actually opened the kingdom of heaven and bind the people to heaven. It is not owned by the Catholic church as they claim it to be. Any Amen ? You are right. But the Catholic Church would tell you other wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 253 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2020 The Romish church has long misused this passage. Peter himself was given the keys to the kingdom. Not his "successors." Frankly, most of the so-called "church fathers" were wolves, and Paul alludes this in Acts 20:29. Popery is the fulfillment of the apostasy described in 1 Tim 4:1-3 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. The "man of sin" refers to the office of the pope (not just a single man). But getting back to Peter, to him was committed the gospel of the circumcision (and Paul's gospel was the uncircumcision gospel) - see Gal 2:7. Peter preached repentance and water baptism for the gift of the Spirit. So he certainly had the keys of the kingdom in that sense. However, the final revelation of the gospel was given to Paul, which entails the gift of the Spirit by faith (Gal 3:2), just as Cornelius received the Spirit in Acts 10 when he heard and believed the gospel from Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Crocker Posted May 16, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,621 Content Per Day: 1.09 Reputation: 3,243 Days Won: 7 Joined: 04/08/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1973 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Binding and loosing is originally a JewishMishnaic phrase also mentioned in the New Testament, as well as in the Targum. In usage, to bind and to loose simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority.[1]. One example of this is Isaiah 58:5-6 which relates proper fasting to loosing the chains of injustice [2]. The poseks had, by virtue of their ordination, the power of deciding disputes relating to Jewish law.[1] Hence, the difference between the two main schools of thought in early classical Judaism were summed up by the phrase the school of Shammai binds; the school of Hillel looses.[1] Theoretically, however, the authority of the poseksproceeded from the Sanhedrin, and there is therefore a Talmudic statement that there were three decisions made by the lower house of judgment (the Sanhedrin) to which the upper house of judgment (the heavenly one) gave its supreme sanction.[3] The claim that whatsoever [a disciple] bind or loose on earth shall be bound or loosed in heaven, which the Gospel of Matthew attributes to Jesus,[4] is probably therefore just an adoption of a phrase popular at the time.[1] This is also the meaning of the phrase when it is applied in the text to Simon Peter and the other apostles in particular[1][5] when they are invested with the power to bind and loose by Christ. This also serves as the scriptural and traditional foundation for the Catholic Church's conception of papal authority, stemming from such an investiture of St. Peter, since, according to Roman Catholic doctrine, the Popes are the Successors of St. Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted May 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 553 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Online Share Posted May 17, 2020 18 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Matt 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Every christian who spread the good news of Christ Salvation and make people repent has actually opened the kingdom of heaven and bind the people to heaven. It is not owned by the Catholic church as they claim it to be. Any Amen ? Well, if the KEYS are THE CHURCH'S {and it is} and the RCC are a PART of the Church, then I don't even get the point tbh. Jesus gave the keys to THE CHURCH the RCC is a part of that Church. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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