Rodney Bascom Posted May 27, 2020 Group: Newbie Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2020 Is baptism required for salvation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted May 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,028 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,367 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,396 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rodney Bascom said: Is baptism required for salvation? No, it isn't required. Remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't have time to get baptized. He was saved by his faith in Christ. However, baptism is showing outwardly what has happened to us inwardly. Declaring our new life in Christ. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 27, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,377 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,555 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Debp said: No, it isn't required. Remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't have time to get baptized. He was saved by his faith in Christ. However, baptism is showing outwardly what has happened to us inwardly. Declaring our new life in Christ. Just want to add one thing to this accurate post... at salvation when the Spirit of Christ moves into the person by regeneration of a new spirit within the believer it is called baptizing of the Spirit (born again) and it is through this s/Spirit we (s) are joined with The Holy Spirit (S) as an eternal sealing of God in us the hope of glory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted May 27, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 791 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 881 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Rodney Bascom said: Is baptism required for salvation? No - but if someone who professes faith refuses to be baptised (or claims that it is optional), I would query the reality of their commitment. This is because baptism is commanded of us. So it isn't a salvation issue - but it is an obedience issue. And if Jesus is really your Lord - you obey Him! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted May 28, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2020 Water baptism symbolizes the death and burial of the old carnal self and its sinful nature. (repentance) Commitment to die to self must follow faith. That we are identifying with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection. But in order to truly testify, one must not only have faith in Jesus, (that is to believe) but also have been willing or at the least a desire to turn from all known sin (repent). Because the then visual testimony of water baptism is the public affirmation that the person has died to self and turning to a new life in Christ. It is a public confession and testimony that a person is making a commitment to put to death the sinful nature that is within them and is committed to following Christ. That the person is indeed repenting of their sins, confessing faith in front of witnesses. A person who desires to remain in a sinful life after having gone through water baptism is really telling everyone publicly that he or she really doesn't believe the gospel. They are just going through the motions and thus making it nothing more than a shallow testimony and ritual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 28, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 909 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,654 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,837 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2020 17 hours ago, Rodney Bascom said: Is baptism required for salvation? Actually baptism IS required for salvation. Just not the baptism you are thinking of. Notice the contrast by John the water Baptist: Matthew 3:11 (AV) 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Jesus spoke of baptism in a different way also: Luke 12:50 (AV) 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! He was referring to his crucifixion. Notice the previous verse: Luke 12:49 (AV) 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? So, baptism of the Holy Spirit = salvation Baptism by fire = judgment / damnation Water Baptism is symbolic. An outward expression of an inward transformation. Nothing more. In John's day it was a turning away from the Old Covenant in preparation to receive the New. That was what repentance meant (repent and be baptized) or from unbelief to belief in Christ Jesus. Here is a good passage to show the distinction of water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism. Though they were water baptized in the name of Jesus, it was their faith in Jesus rather that brought the Holy Spirit upon them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted June 7, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 5/28/2020 at 2:31 AM, Deborah_ said: No - but if someone who professes faith refuses to be baptised (or claims that it is optional), I would query the reality of their commitment. This is because baptism is commanded of us. So it isn't a salvation issue - but it is an obedience issue. And if Jesus is really your Lord - you obey Him! As part of my reading of John Calvin's commentary on Genesis, I saw his comment connected with Abraham, that believers' baptism replaces circumcision as the mark of godly faith. I found that a quite interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankIeCip Posted November 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 757 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 1,119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/08/1978 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Do you know how many people have been baptized but are not regenerate? Does the Bible say we will be known by our baptism or by our fruits, love, humility, etc.? Also Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. If we are baptized by His Spirit we are altogether baptized. It is finished! Just my thoughts and opinion. Thanks ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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