iamlamad Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 2:50 PM, dhchristian said: And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (Joel 2;28) Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. (mal. 3;16) There is a lot of confusion in the church as to what the gift of discernment is. All who have the Holy Ghost have the ability to discern, to see and recognize truth and fallacy and similar concepts as pertain our faith and doctrine, But very few have the gift of discernment. The verse from Malachi 3 Above implies that this discernment has been lost by the generation near the end of times, and indeed we are seeing this in particular in the church that is open to any invention of man to draw numbers as opposed to souls into their institutional church. I Am going to give some simple differences here of the gift of discernment versus the gift of Prophecy which may help you to understand this better. A Discerner is a "seer" scripturally, and a watchman/woman. Though a seer can be given a word of prophecy, they are NOT prophets. How this gift falls on a believer is that they begin to visually see the spirit world, both good and evil, both Godly and demonic. You become Spiritually aware, others even other believers do not see what you see and if you try and explain to them they will mock you for it. This gift is the very heart of the final outpouring of the Holy Ghost, What was born in tongues and a lack of discernment the Laodicean church age will Mature and overcome with the gift of discernment. When One reads the letter to the Laodicean church, their Blindness and denial is apparent, and God offers them His eyesalve so that they can see. Most in the churches today are in denial of their Laodicean identity, I get it, no one want to be associated with the lukewarm and worst of the churches, But there are some even who deny this who are beginning to see that not all is right in the churches today and they are taking a journey which unconsciously, and Holy Spirit led is leading them to see. In Other words they are following the instructions in that letter unconsciously while not understanding why they are being led down this Path. This Post is to help you understand this. To help you embrace your Laodicean identity and show you where the Holy Ghost is leading you. Much of what occurs in the end times is a question of seeing. From the revelation of the Lawless one to those who remain blind receiving the strong delusion, to the fact that Jesus comes as a thief in the night to some who are not seeing. (This is why I posted this in the prophecy section here) I Do not want to dictate here, but wish to open this up for questions, and time permitting I can answer them. Do You agree? Disagree? Have you experienced this? I would say you are off on a tangent: there is no "gift of discernment:" in 1 Cor. 12 there is a gift of the Spirit called "discerning of spirits." It simple means God opening someone's eyes into the spiritual realm so one could see angels and/or demons. A great example is: 2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. He was then seeing into the spirit realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I think that what you are talking about is dangerous for you and I suggest you repent of this. On more than one occasion you discerned and prophesied things about me that simply aren't true. When I asked you to confirm that is what you meant, you never answered. What you are attempting to do is referred to as 'soul reading'. I have seen this before in real life with individuals doing this trick. It is not of the Lord, and opens to door to a bad place. You are essentially procuring the assistance of the enemies cohorts. This does not end well. I know because I have seen the results. The Holy Spirit is not in the business of telling folks things about other folks--most especially brethren. The alternative conduit for such information is not something you want, but it is available. Run away. You asked for responses, so I have done so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, iamlamad said: I would say you are off on a tangent: there is no "gift of discernment:" in 1 Cor. 12 there is a gift of the Spirit called "discerning of spirits." It simple means God opening someone's eyes into the spiritual realm so one could see angels and/or demons. A great example is: The gift of discernment is just my word for what Paul is speaking of in 1 Cor. 12, the "discerning of Spirits". Good example verse from Elisha that you gave as this is at the heart of what I am speaking of here. My Point is that the final outpouring will not be of prophecy per se but of discerning, Though prophecy can be coupled with that, in the form of words of Prophecy. I Was hoping you would chime in here as a Pentecostal Christian, sometimes us Baptists do not know these things as well as others. God Bless. Just now, Alive said: I think that what you are talking about is dangerous for you and I suggest you repent of this. On more than one occasion you discerned and prophesied things about me that simply aren't true. When I asked you to confirm that is what you meant, you never answered. What you are attempting to do is referred to as 'soul reading'. I have seen this before in real life with individuals doing this trick. It is not of the Lord, and opens to door to a bad place. You are essentially procuring the assistance of the enemies cohorts. This does not end well. I know because I have seen the results. The Holy Spirit is not in the business of telling folks things about other folks--most especially brethren. The alternative conduit for such information is not something you want, but it is available. Run away. You asked for responses, so I have done so. This Post is not about me. It is about the end time church and the final outpouring of the Spirit. Discerning of spirits has nothing to do with foretelling the future, unless a word of Prophecy accompanies the gift. This gift is about seeing spirits, both good and bad at work in people. Have you ever been given the "evil eye" in the work place or in a store from someone? Someone out to cut you down no matter what you do in kindness and love towards them? Have you seen demons cringe in the Presence of the Holy Ghost in you? I Have. Conversely, have you seen the Holy Ghost come over someone that they began to emit light? Have you seen the Holy Ghost come over someone in such a way that God is speaking directly through them to you? Has the Word of God come to life in you in such a way that it reads you and convicts you and transforms you, as the words therein point directly to you? Was Jesus just trying to deceive us when he said The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. (Matt. 6;22) Or is this gift of seeing what he is talking about empowered by the Holy Ghost? The Hebrew word translated as discern in the verse from Malachi 3:18 is Ra'ah, which means to "look, see, perceive, The word is the same as is translated as "seer" in scripture. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H7200&t=KJV Do the research yourself before you smugly criticize the Poster please. This is how posts get sidetracked all the time. For the record this has nothing to do with astrology, or palm reading or soothsaying etc. But is something wholly scriptural, something you in your background has probably never been taught about from scripture, because this is lacking in your upbringing. If You can set aside your hatred you may actually learn something here???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) The following is By David Wilkerson, I will only copy the introduction here as this is a lengthy article worth reading. The following is a prophetic warning from Azusa Street 75 years ago, concerning the dangers of a Christless Pentecost! Frank Bartleman was an eyewitness to the out-pouring of the Holy Spirit in 1907 at Azusa Street, Los Angeles. He has been characterized as the Reporter of the Azusa Street Revival. Nearly 75 years ago, during the outpouring, he wrote a tract warning of a Christless Pentecost He warned: "We may not hold a doctrine, or seek an experience, except in Christ. Many are willing to seek power in order to perform miracles, draw attention and adoration of the people to themselves, thus robbing Christ of His glory, and making a fair showing in the flesh. The greatest need would seem to be for true followers of the meek and lowly Jesus. Religious enthusiasm easily goes to seed. The human spirit so predominates the show-off, religious spirit. But we must stick to our text-Christ. "Any work that exalts the Holy Ghost or 'gifts' above Jesus will finally end up in fanaticism. Whatever causes us to exalt and love Jesus is well and safe. The reverse will ruin all. The Holy Ghost is a great light, but focused on Jesus always for His revealing. "Where the Holy Ghost is actually in control, Jesus is proclaimed the Head-the Holy Ghost, His executive." In another place, Brother Bartleman warned: "The temptation seems to be toward empty manifestations. This does not require any particular cross, or death to the self-life. Hence it is always popular. "We may not put power, gifts, the Holy Ghost, or in fact anything ahead of Jesus. Any mission that exalts even the Holy Ghost above the Lord Jesus Christ is bound for the rocks of error and fanaticism. "There seems to be a great danger of losing sight of the fact that Jesus was 'all in all' The work of Calvary, the atonement, must be the center for our consideration. The Holy Ghost will never draw our attention from Christ to Himself, but rather reveal Christ in a fuller way. We are in danger of slighting Jesus - getting Him 'lost in the temple,' by the exaltation of the Holy Ghost and of the gifts of the Spirit. Jesus must be the center of everything." I do not take Brother Bartleman's warning lightly. The danger of a Christless Pentecost is very real today. I say to you it is possible to gather Spirit-filled people in one place, praising and lifting up their hands - and still have Christ walking among them as a stranger! It's true He said, "Where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst." (Matt. 18:20 NASB) But He can be in our midst as a stranger! Ignored, unrecognized - even by those who meet in His name! The Jews gathered every Sabbath in the synagogue to speak of His name, and to prophesy of His coming. They praised the name of the Father who promised to send Him. They spoke the Messiah's name with awe and reverence. Then, when He came and walked among them - He was not recognized! He was a stranger to them! Christ, a stranger in the midst of a Spirit-filled congregation? A stranger in the midst of those who speak His name - who worship the Father who sent Him? A stranger to those who sing His hosannas, who call Him "Lord, Lord"? Yes! Absolutely yes! It is not only possible - it is happening among God's chosen people today! Let me show you three ways in which we are making Christ a stranger In our midst! May the Holy Spirit take away our spiritual blindness so we can once again see Him as He really is - LORD OF ALL! Read the rest here: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=3353 Edited June 9, 2020 by dhchristian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Yup...the Holy Spirit will always point to Christ. This a fundamental thing that needs to be taught in any group meeting. This is one way we can know when the Lord’s Headship is being honored within an assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Alive said: I think that what you are talking about is dangerous for you and I suggest you repent of this. On more than one occasion you discerned and prophesied things about me that simply aren't true. When I asked you to confirm that is what you meant, you never answered. What you are attempting to do is referred to as 'soul reading'. I have seen this before in real life with individuals doing this trick. It is not of the Lord, and opens to door to a bad place. You are essentially procuring the assistance of the enemies cohorts. This does not end well. I know because I have seen the results. The Holy Spirit is not in the business of telling folks things about other folks--most especially brethren. The alternative conduit for such information is not something you want, but it is available. Run away. You asked for responses, so I have done so. Actually, Alive, many true prophecies that come from and through the Holy Spirit ARE about other believers. I have seen it work time and time again, as a speaker calls someone up that they don't know, and tells them a specific physical problem they have. I guess that is both a "word of knowledge" and prophecy working together. This has worked for my own families benefit! I have had a prophecy given about Me and my future that came to pass exactly as it was spoken. However, on your side of this discussion, some people think they are given "the gift of discernment" when it is probably only a familiar spirit. People that have the gift of discerning of spirits occasionally see into the spirit realm and may see either demons or angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted June 9, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, iamlamad said: Actually, Alive, many true prophecies that come from and through the Holy Spirit ARE about other believers. I have seen it work time and time again, as a speaker calls someone up that they don't know, and tells them a specific physical problem they have. I guess that is both a "word of knowledge" and prophecy working together. This has worked for my own families benefit! I have had a prophecy given about Me and my future that came to pass exactly as it was spoken. However, on your side of this discussion, some people think they are given "the gift of discernment" when it is probably only a familiar spirit. People that have the gift of discerning of spirits occasionally see into the spirit realm and may see either demons or angels. This is not the kind of so called knowing that I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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