R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Are you claiming the anti-christ is satan? If so, please explain the following passage. Revelation 20: 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. AC # satan but one. God manifest in Christ. Devil manifest in antichrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, R. Hartono said: AC # satan but one. God manifest in Christ. Devil manifest in antichrist How can he be in the lake of fire and bound for 1000 years at the same time, then later thrown into the lake of fire again? Satan is not omnipotent, he cannot be in two places at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Jeremiah 9:3 they make ready their tongue like a bow to shoot lies. Thanks, where is your second witness? Everything must be established by two or more witnesses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, wingnut- said: How can he be in the lake of fire and bound for 1000 years at the same time, then later thrown into the lake of fire again? Satan is not omnipotent, he cannot be in two places at the same time. It is thrown into the lake of fire after the Millennium is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: It is thrown into the lake of fire after the Millennium is over. Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. The beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire here, following the battle of Armageddon. Revelation 20: 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Satan is thrown into the lake of fire after the thousand years, and as the passage clearly shows, the beast and false prophet were already there. "Were" is past tense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Thanks, where is your second witness? Everything must be established by two or more witnesses. 2 Samuel 1:18 speaks about the Lament of the Bow when enemy won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, wingnut- said: Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. The beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire here, following the battle of Armageddon. Revelation 20: 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Satan is thrown into the lake of fire after the thousand years, and as the passage clearly shows, the beast and false prophet were already there. "Were" is past tense. True, the rider of the white horse in the first seal were launched to the EARTH to conquer the world n give a short term of peace followed with peace removal, famine, plague n war n death. While Jesus white horse is seen in heaven at Rev.19. Both will meet at Armageddon battle to decide who will rule the world. Edited July 29, 2020 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: 2 Samuel 1:18 speaks about the Lament of the Bow when enemy won. Not seeing a correlation here in regards to referencing peace. David is lamenting over the death of Saul and Jonathan, and interestingly enough, this passage actually supports what I have stated, read it with a little more context. II Samuel 1:14 David said to him, “How is it you were not afraid to put out your hand to destroy the Lord's anointed?” 15 Then David called one of the young men and said, “Go, execute him.” And he struck him down so that he died. 16 And David said to him, “Your blood be on your head, for your own mouth has testified against you, saying, ‘I have killed the Lord's anointed.’” Considering Jesus was the Anointed one, wouldn't you say this is more of a "type" or representation as to what was accomplished on the cross? The problem you still have not addressed is the fact that this rider was given a crown, who has the authority to give it to him, and doesn't scripture teach us that Jesus was given all authority and crowned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: True, the rider of the white horse in the first seal were launched to the EARTH to conquer the world n give a short term of peace Not exactly true, the passage says nothing about peace, you are assuming that from the bow and have yet to establish it. What it actually says is the opposite, the rider doesn't just come out conquering, he does conquer. Revelation 6 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer. Sounds more like what Jesus accomplished to me, remember during His first advent He declared the following. Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." 25 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: While Jesus white horse is seen in heaven at Rev.19. Again that is the point to a question I have asked several times now and you still have not addressed. Do symbols change in scripture? 26 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Both will meet at Armageddon battle to decide who will rule the world. But it doesn't say anything about the beast being on a white horse does it? You kinda just dumped what we were discussing about how you can attribute something regarding the devil to a different entity, namely the beast. This started with you asserting Jesus could not be in two places at the same time, and then suggesting the devil can be. I think since you have that backwards, you may want to rethink a few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 hours ago, wingnut- said: The problem you still have not addressed is the fact that this rider was given a crown, who has the authority to give it to him, and doesn't scripture teach us that Jesus was given all authority and crowned? The beast of Revelation 13 has ten crown n its the dragon who gave him the power n throne n authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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