Markesmith Posted August 4, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2020 How do you answer contradictions between "solas" "Salvation by faith alone" And "The bible alone"? Matt 5:7 blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy Luke 7:47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: 1 pet 4:8And above all things have fervent charityamong yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 1Co 13:2 - And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. Refering back to deut. 6:5 you shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart. Etc. 1Co 13:13 - And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 1Ti 2:15 - Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 2 pet 3:15 that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation. Rom 13:11 - And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. Phl 1:29 - For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,302 Content Per Day: 1.71 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 8:50 PM, Markesmith said: How do you answer contradictions between "solas" "Salvation by faith alone" And "The bible alone"? You have not shown that here is a contradiction. Let me illustrate it. You are sitting in your car, in one hand is a print out of how to drive from New York to L A without using major roads. In your other hand is a copy of what in the UK is called the Highway code, a book of the rules of the road, traffic signs, road markings, instructions how to make turns,overtake etc etc. Your passenger says why do you have both of those they totally contradict each other.. To explain. Scripture is the highway code. The teaching solar fidelity is the driving instruction. Only someone who does not understand these things would claim they contradict each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markesmith Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Really? “salvation by faith alone” is the 1st sola “we believe by the Bible alone” is the 2nd sola the verses I posted and many more are the Bible alone contradicting faith alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.52 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 8:50 PM, Markesmith said: How do you answer contradictions between "solas" "Salvation by faith alone" And "The bible alone"? Matt 5:7 blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy Luke 7:47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: 1 pet 4:8And above all things have fervent charityamong yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 1Co 13:2 - And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. Refering back to deut. 6:5 you shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart. Etc. 1Co 13:13 - And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. 1Ti 2:15 - Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 2 pet 3:15 that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation. Rom 13:11 - And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. Phl 1:29 - For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. thanks Sola Fide means that we are saved through faith alone, not works. Sola Scriptura means that the Bible alone is our infallible and sufficient guide to what to believe and do. Only someone who does not know this, could think that these contradict each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markesmith Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Either you don’t actually read the Bible or you dont believe it? For example: 1Cor 13:2 - And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. Refering back to deut. 6:5 you shall love the Lord thy God with all thy heart. Etc. ”all faith” including faith alone without charity it avails nothing! “faith alone” is not biblical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,825 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,816 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2020 @Markesmith So if not salvation by faith alone - then how is one saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markesmith Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Sanctification: the life of grace, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, Patience and suffering, and faith working thru love! Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 12, 2020 1. Sola scriptura: “Scripture alone” 2. Sola fide: “faith alone” 3. Sola gratia: “grace alone” 4. Solo Christo: “Christ alone” 5. Soli Deo gloria: “to the glory of God alone” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markesmith Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Where does the Bible alone teach any of these Solas? the fact that there are five Solas is a contradiction? If it’s a sola then it must stand alone! Not together with four other Solas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markesmith Posted August 12, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 404 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 What does the “Bible alone” mean? Really the Bible alone? Even one verse? Or the Bible plus scripture scholars? Or the Bible plus a consensus of believers? Or the Bible plus Tradition? (Tradition defined as doctrine that is handed down, not mere human tradition) Or the Bible plus the teaching of the apostles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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