Open7 Posted August 17, 2020 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2020 Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted August 17, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2020 Shalom @Open7 I believe is was credited to him as righteousness because, against all odds, he STILL believed in the promise. Bith Abraham and Sarah were beyond child-bearing years so with earthly wisdom one would say it was impossible, yet Abraham trusted in Yahweh. Such is the faith we must have when facing our own deaths. In fact, Abraham so believed in Yahweh's promise that he thought that He would resurrect Isaac after Abraham was to offer him up. Love & Shalom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refresher Posted August 17, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 381 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 812 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1973 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? Brother, please be reminded that Abraham life was under the old testament before Jesus Christ death and resurrection and if you read the details about Abraham in Romans book, it means Abraham is one of the example about righteousness a 100% human that created by God like us. As per the bible says that's it as no one can argue. 1. Romans 4:9 New King James Version "Abraham Justified Before Circumcision" Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 2. Galatians 3:6 New King James Version just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 3. James 2:23 New King James Version And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. Edited August 17, 2020 by Refresher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted August 17, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? Faith equals TRUST. Abraham and others trusted God's promises were to come true, before they knew the Christ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted August 17, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? It would seem to me Abraham was considered righteous for being willing to sacrifice his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 6:31 AM, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? Friend it's always been about believing God and trusting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 8/17/2020 at 7:31 AM, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? Jesus's Old Testament appearances are called "hierophanies". No one has seen the Father--His voice only was heard in the New Testament. JESUS interacted with Abraham and Abraham trusted Him for a son--a miracle, unique son, a type of Jesus as God's Son. Both testaments are clear. People who trust God for salvation are saved, people who trust themselves for salvation are lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 Do you really think their faith is held less dearly than our simply because it was based on the coming messiah and ours on the risen messiah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 8/17/2020 at 6:31 AM, Open7 said: Im reading Romans 4:23-25. And I’m thinking, how is it that Abraham has righteousness for believing that God would give him a son? People can only be saved by Jesus, including Abraham. So why was Abraham credited with righteousness because he believed God would give him a son? (Isaac). And here is my own attempt at answering. This was the case because if Abraham believed God for this, by default he would also believe Jesus also. Any thoughts? That's pretty good. God held humanity accountable to the amount of his revelation to man. The point God was driving at was belief and trust in Him. Grace (even in the Old Testament) / the path to true salvation, in other words. But even then, until the cross of Christ, Abraham and those who believed God still went to the temporary holding place (Sheol) awaiting either Christ's arrival to free them (Ephesians 4:8-10) or final judgment (Revelation 20:13-14). Of course those who believed God were in a separate chamber of comfort in Sheol than the unbelievers who were in torment (Luke 16:19-31). Ever since Jesus died, went to Sheol and declared the victory (1 Peter 3:18-19) and took the captive in Abraham's Bosom to heaven (Ephesians 4:8-10) believers go directly to heaven as disembodied spirits (2 Corinthians 5:8) and the chamber in Sheol that was once the Bosom of Abraham is now empty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2021 Belief / believing in Jesus is all that is required. John 3:16-18 John 6:29 John 16:27 Ephesians 2:8-10 Paul was Saul of Tarsus rising star in the Jewish Sanhedrin Hebrew of Hebrews, with regard to the Law... BLAMELESS... but he counted it all dung that he may believe in Christ. The Law cannot save. Only faith in Jesus the genuine Jesus can and does. This is why Paul was so jealous of the pristine Gospel versus the counterfeit Gospels counterfeit spirits, counterfeit christs (2 Corinthians 11:3-4 / Galatians 1:8-9) ← which may well refer to many gospel messages being preached in the world to this very day. Prove ALL things prove ALL THINGS PROVE ALL THINGS... even the Spirit whether of God or not (1 John 4:1) AND if the Christ you believe in / hope in is the real and true Christ or not. Here's how: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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