luigi Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Who communicates with his kingdom how exactly in your panorama? The beast's mouth (the Antichrist) is the first king of the ten horned beast, and thus communicates his will to his subjects. If you could elaborate a little more in your question, I would maybe be able to provide a more concise response than the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,036 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,947 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 1:23 AM, luigi said: If the saints are worn out and are unable to contend further with the great things the beasts mouth proclaims, the saints are then overcome by its grandeur and will be spiritually sleeping. How, in your diorama or panorama, are the saints hearing "the great things the beast's mouth proclaims"? [Gr. horama = vision] Also please note that if it is taught that the parable of the 10 virgins only relates to a three & a half year period of endtimes tribulation, this implies that the preparation and readiness the parable exhorts are unnecessary prior to this period, and who can say for sure when that is exactly at any given juncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 28, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 15 hours ago, Michael37 said: How, in your diorama or panorama, are the saints hearing "the great things the beast's mouth proclaims"? [Gr. horama = vision] Also please note that if it is taught that the parable of the 10 virgins only relates to a three & a half year period of endtimes tribulation, this implies that the preparation and readiness the parable exhorts are unnecessary prior to this period, and who can say for sure when that is exactly at any given juncture. You have to put one and one together, and come up with a logical assessment. If the beasts mouth speaks great things (Daniel 7:8,11,20,25; Revelation 13:5) by which the whole world is in love with the image of a bright new world, and by which the saints are worn out and overcome (Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:7), then how can the saints not be listening to the great things the beasts mouth will be proclaiming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 28, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,036 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,947 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 hours ago, luigi said: You have to put one and one together, and come up with a logical assessment. If the beasts mouth speaks great things (Daniel 7:8,11,20,25; Revelation 13:5) by which the whole world is in love with the image of a bright new world, and by which the saints are worn out and overcome (Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:7), then how can the saints not be listening to the great things the beasts mouth will be proclaiming? To focus sharply, how do you think the future President Of Planet Earth will ensure that its population hears these great things? I am not an endtimes expert but it seems obvious to me that to commit his great crime the antichrist false prophet beast from the earth must have the motive, the means, the method, and the opportunity to subjugate the whole world. Perhaps you have not thought that out so as to have an idea of HOW the saints the world over are hearing "the great things the beast's mouth proclaims". Anyone that dismisses the role of the media in the final days is remiss. The media is a powerful means of influence. Include military might and political agility and you have the superstructure seen in the Revelation 13 panorama: Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (political agility), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (military supremacy), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (media dominance): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 30, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 8/28/2020 at 4:39 PM, Michael37 said: To focus sharply, how do you think the future President Of Planet Earth will ensure that its population hears these great things? I am not an endtimes expert but it seems obvious to me that to commit his great crime the antichrist false prophet beast from the earth must have the motive, the means, the method, and the opportunity to subjugate the whole world. Perhaps you have not thought that out so as to have an idea of HOW the saints the world over are hearing "the great things the beast's mouth proclaims". Anyone that dismisses the role of the media in the final days is remiss. The media is a powerful means of influence. Include military might and political agility and you have the superstructure seen in the Revelation 13 panorama: Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (political agility), and his feet were as the feet of a bear (military supremacy), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion (media dominance): and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. The dragon gives the seven headed 10 horned beast his power. This power causes all the people in the world who are not written in the lambs book of life to love the dragon, the beast, and its mouth, the Antichrist (Revelation 13:1-8). If the Antichrist therefore will have the adoration of the masses, then whatever great things he will boast, this delusional propaganda image of the beasts system portrayed will then also be loved by the masses. The beasts world will therefore be a hedonistic utopia from the power the beast attains causing craft/business to prosper (Daniel 8:25). This is why when the Lord returns at the conclusion of the beast's 3.5 years of reign, the world will be like the days of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah, and like the days of Noah, where people will be having intercourse with each other with pretty much total abandon (Luke 17:26-37). Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie51 Posted August 6, 2021 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2021 This is a simplified explanation: The ten virgins symbolize all Christians who are in line for or who profess to be in line for the heavenly Kingdom. (Matthew 25:1) It was at Pentecost 33 C.E. that the Christian congregation was promised in marriage to the resurrected, glorified Bridegroom, Jesus Christ. But the marriage was to take place in heaven at some unspecified time in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted August 6, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 349 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,519 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 5,415 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2021 My study on the topic and notes copied & pasted: The parable of the 10 virgins is given to underscore the importance of being ready for Christ’s return in any event—even if He delays longer than expected. For when He does return, there will be no second chances for the unprepared (vv. 11, 12). 25:1 ten virgins. I.e., bridesmaids. The wedding would begin at the bride’s house when the bridegroom arrived to observe the wedding ritual. Then a procession would follow as the bridegroom took the bride to his house for the completion of festivities. For a night wedding, “lamps,” which were actually torches, were needed for the procession.1 1 John MacArthur Jr., ed., The MacArthur Study Bible, electronic ed. (Nashville, TN: Word Pub., 1997), 1441. Amazingly, the Rapture of the church mirrors a traditional Jewish wedding. The betrothal, the patient waiting for the bridegroom, the bridegroom building an addition to his fathers house for him and his bride; when finished, the father telling his son to go snatch his bride and bring her back; the bride watching and waiting for the bridegroom to return; then the sudden appearance of the bridegroom to fetch his bride. The wedding and the wedding feast.1 1 Dennis commentary Likened unto ten virgins. The second of the parables exhorting watchfulness (Matt. 25:1–13). The details of this most impressive parable have often been needlessly pressed. It is not necessary to see any special meaning in the number ten or five, nor in the virgins as virgins. It is just an illustration drawn from the marriage customs of the time to set forth in vivid fashion the peril of not watching and being ready when Jesus comes.1 1 A. T. Robertson, Commentary on the Gospel according to Matthew (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1911), 247. Virgins refers to young women who are guests at a wedding, possibly as attendants to the bride. To meet the bridegroom To escort him to the wedding banquet (v. 10). 25:4 the wise ones took olive oil. All 10 women are expecting the bridegroom, but only five are fully prepared. 25:10 bridegroom arrived refers to the long-expected day of the Lord and the arrival of the Messiah at the end of the age—Jesus’ Second Coming (the Parousia). Wedding celebration A possible allusion to the messianic banquet at the end of the age (compare 8:11 and note). door was shut Compare Isa 22:22; Luke 13:25; Rev 3:7–8.1 1 John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), Mt 25:1–10. My Bible commentary; Matthew 25:1-13: The parable of the 10 virgins explains the place of Israel’s true converts of the Great Tribulation period in relation to the church. These virgins (Gr. parthenos, cf. 1:23) are the attendants at the wedding, not multiple brides. The one bride of Christ is the church, John the Baptist is the best man (John 3:29), friend of the Bridegroom), and the prepared virgins are the saved of the Great Tribulation. While all share as the people of God, the church is accorded a unique relationship to the Master. The lamps seem to refer to their lives which are either prepared or unprepared. The oil refers to that which prepares them to give forth light and may properly be illustrative of the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. The fact that they all slept while the bridegroom tarried implies a period of Jewish inactivity during the church age, while the bride is gathered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted August 7, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 777 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,955 Content Per Day: 3.04 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/24/2020 at 7:28 PM, luigi said: seems to indicate to me that the hedonistic system of the beast will really be something where the saints are overcome by it and fall asleep. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? The sleeping virgins cud mean the sleeping ministry, churches unable to serve people (locked down in pandemic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) On 8/6/2021 at 8:37 PM, R. Hartono said: The sleeping virgins cud mean the sleeping ministry, churches unable to serve people (locked down in pandemic). Good morning R. Hartono, The Lord asks the question in Luke 18:8, that when He returns, will He find faith on the earth? As this time is when the whole world who are not written in the lambs book of life will be goo goo gaga over the beasts system (Revelation 13:8); the beasts system will therefore have people believing in the New World Order, rather than in loving their neighbor. This belief in the beasts new word order is also explained in Zechariah 5:3-4 as the curse that goes over the face of the whole earth whose policies destroy the morals and ethics (timber and stones) of those who believe thereon, instead of believing in love, truth, and justice. The ten virgins who fall asleep during this time represents their lack of sufficient faith (oil for their lamps), which will be their complacency within the beasts new world order. Zechariah 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. 4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. Edited August 8, 2021 by luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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