enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Alive said: Jesus uses the word 'logos' many times. Not sure what your point is. You asked me about 'word' and I first thought you meant faith... but then was corrected on what you meant -thus this post ... and my thinking is what the quote revealed in opinion of difference between plus this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.46 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 14, 2020 @enoob57 My understanding is as follow. There is the Logos = Christ the Word. There is the written word inspired by God logos or the words Jesus spoke during His earthly ministry and there is rhema, which is the Lord speaking a 'word' into or to a son. That can be a personal specific message as well as shining a light on logos and making it live for that son. In any case, its the Lord Himself that is involved for his brethren/sons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: So you are claiming you cannot get the same meaning from reading a verse as you get from hearing it? I see it just staying with subject matter Rom 10:13-15 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! KJV as sending preachers... thus spoken word... I see God's Word explained to us throughout Scripture as 1. The creative Word 2. The Living Word 3. The written Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Alive said: @enoob57 My understanding is as follow. There is the Logos = Christ the Word. There is the written word inspired by God logos or the words Jesus spoke during His earthly ministry and there is rhema, which is the Lord speaking a 'word' into or to a son. That can be a personal specific message as well as shining a light on logos and making it live for that son. In any case, its the Lord Himself that is involved for his brethren/sons. Do you believe in a closed canon of Logos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.46 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, enoob57 said: Do you believe in a closed canon of Logos? I believe that the logos canon is closed...small l. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Josheb said: It speaks of rhema. Reading the Bible, reading the written logos, is not the same as hearing rhema. Never has been, was not so in Romans, and never will be the same. Otherwise sincere and well-meaning Christians often appeal to Romans 10:17 mistakenly thinking that is about words coming out of an evangelists mouth and into the ears of a non-believer when in fact the verse is about rhema. We will just have to politely disagree here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alive said: I believe that the logos canon is closed...small l. The written Word yes... then for all reason and understanding must then agree with what God has written down and claimed 'His Word' correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.46 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 14, 2020 What we have now are the Paraclete and Teachers that shine a light on scripture to make it alive and to help us understand what is written. These things go beyond simple human understanding although that is required and a part of a larger whole of scripture for His children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.46 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The written Word yes... then for all reason and understanding must then agree with what God has written down and claimed 'His Word' correct? Hard to be clear what you just wrote above---if I get your drift, you are saying that the scriptures are correct? Yes of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,434 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,581 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, JohnD said: That they began with the beginning (2 Peter 1:20-21). 2 Peter 1:20-21 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. KJV I see this as The Holy Spirit guiding the written Word to be written... is that what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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