Bro.Tan Posted March 14, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 693 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 120 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 9:23 AM, PeterR said: Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. LOVE. That's true but that's Jesus work, you have to do your work in having Faith in him. Lets go into (Heb.11: 1-2, 7, 17, 24-26, 31, 35, 39-40) (v.1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (v.2) For by it the elders obtained a good report. Now by the elder’s faith (belief) in God they obtained a good report. But how did theses elders show God that they had faith (belief) in him? Let’s take a look at some of them. (v.7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness, which is by faith. How did Noah prove to God that he had faith in him? By his works! Noah moved with faith and fear and began preparing the ark. (v.17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Now here is the father of the faithful, and how did he show God the he had faith in him? By his works! The Lord God told Abraham to go and sacrifice his son, his only son. And Abraham’s faith was so strong that he was seconds’ way from killing his only son when the angel of the Lord stopped him, now that’s truly fruits of faith. (v.24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; (v.25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; (v.26) Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward Moses knew who he was once he became of age unlike the movie would have you to believe. How did Moses show his faith? By his works! But through faith he chose to suffer affliction with the people of God rather than enjoy the pleasures of sin by continuing to allow himself to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter: esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt. You see Moses knew exactly whom he was dealing with, and it’s best that you learn that the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament and his name is Jesus. (v.31) By faith the harlot Ra’-hab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. The Harlot Ra’- hab showed her faith in God by her works! She hid the spies sent by Joshua, and the Lord blessed her and her family by saving them when he took down the city of Jericho. (v.35) Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: How strong is your faith, will you endure affliction, torture, imprisonment, stoning, and even die for the word of God? These people showed their faith in God by their works, not accepting deliverance because they were looking for a better resurrection. What’s a better resurrection? The first resurrection is a better resurrection because if you are raised in the first resurrection you will not be judged; you will be doing the judging. But all of these people we just read about showed you fruits of faith they showed you works. (v.39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: They received a good report through faith. But how did they show their faith (belief) in God? By their works, and they all died with a good report having not received the promise. (v.40) God having provided some better things for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Everybody that has a better resurrection coming will receive it at the same time. That’s why it says that they without us will not be made perfect. Who is perfect? God is perfect. God is recreating God. That’s another lesson for another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted March 14, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.06 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said: You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Amen I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 15, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,004 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 305 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 11:21 AM, Bro.Tan said: When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. His life death and resurrection brought in the renewed covenant: "This shall be the covenant, I will put my law in their hearts and minds" "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them, for this is the law" To believe those words of His and have them memorized is to literally have the law in mind, to live it out is to have the law in heart. Thereby Jesus is the literal 'messenger' of the covenant. "Love works no ill to his neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the Torah" Paul reiterated Jesus' message in his own way. Therefore: When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of the Torah. His death and resurrection brought in the second covenant, which consists of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of Jesus's teachings. "And hereby we do know that we know Jesus, if we keep His commands" "Whoever disobeys the Torah and does not abide in the teachings of Jesus, has not God" 2 John 1:9-10 That's a big part of the good news, we are not following the Torah, we are following Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro.Tan Posted March 16, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 693 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 120 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 8:07 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said: His life death and resurrection brought in the renewed covenant: "This shall be the covenant, I will put my law in their hearts and minds" "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them, for this is the law" To believe those words of His and have them memorized is to literally have the law in mind, to live it out is to have the law in heart. Thereby Jesus is the literal 'messenger' of the covenant. "Love works no ill to his neighbor therefore love is the fulfilling of the Torah" Paul reiterated Jesus' message in his own way. Therefore: When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of the Torah. His death and resurrection brought in the second covenant, which consists of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of Jesus's teachings. "And hereby we do know that we know Jesus, if we keep His commands" "Whoever disobeys the Torah and does not abide in the teachings of Jesus, has not God" 2 John 1:9-10 That's a big part of the good news, we are not following the Torah, we are following Jesus. Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. Only the animal sacrificial laws are nail to the cross and the levitical priesthood laws. The law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten. Leviticus 11:46-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Leviticus 11:44). The others law in the writing of Moses is still good as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 17, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,004 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 305 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 17, 2021 20 hours ago, Bro.Tan said: Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. God Himself is holy, and God Himself lives inside of us due to the work of Christ. "Let no man therefore judge you in food or in drink or in respect of a holy day or of the feast days..." Colossians 2:16 --- It's all about actually believing Jesus, and Jesus said "whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them, for this, is the law" If we believe Jesus, we therefore understand the whole law as being that one directive. Summarized in other places also; love God/love neighbor; love is the fulfilling of the law. "But now being freed from the Torah, having died to what we were held by, we should serve God in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" Romans 7:6 Therefore we need be most concerned about sincerely loving others instead of whether we eat pork or not. The literal 'spirit' of the law; sincere love for everyone, as Christ and Paul taught. Salvation is about a relationship with Christ, not about a legalistic list of rules to keep checking off; 'the letter' of the law. --- The spirit of the law is evident in the law and prophets: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your hearts.. Love ye therefore the stranger" Deuteronomy 10:16,19 is how Moses summarized the Torah. "Execute true justice and show mercy and compassion every man to his brother and oppress not the widow, fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor, and let none of you imagine evil in his heart." "But they refused to hear..." [to hear what dear one, what does Zechariah 7:11-12 say that Zechariah 7:9-10 is?] "the law." So what is the law? "Execute true justice and show mercy and compassion every man to his brother and oppress not the widow, fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor, and let none of you imagine evil in his heart." [7:9-10, 8:16-17] The law is summarized as above in many places throughout scripture: Job chapter 31 Deuteronomy 10:16,19 Proverbs 21:3 Psalms chapter 15 Isaiah 1:11-20 Isaiah 58:5-10 Jeremiah 23:4-5 Zechariah 7:9-12, 8:14-17 If we add in all the rules about love, we see that the majority of the law is about how we treat other people, not about foods and such. Exodus 21:22, 23:4-9 Leviticus, pretty much all of chapter 19 is about loving others. Notice even Deuteronomy 20:5-8,10-12,14,19,20. Clearly how we treat other people, and relations to other people is the heart/spirit of the matter, and is what all the prophets taught leading up to Joshua of Nazareth, who said the exact same things. "Do good to your enemies and them that hate you" Exodus 23:4-5 "Do good to your enemies and them that hate you" Luke 6:27 Thereby it is clear what is most important. ------- Sincerely love everyone; is the clearly declared spirit of the law and the prophets. To correctly follow the law, we must begin in spirit, not in letter. Neither can the law be sincerely followed devoid of the Spirit of God. A man empowered by faith in Christ can follow the spirit of the law, and mature to proper following of the rest as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternally Gratefull Posted March 17, 2021 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 50 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/13/1965 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Paul says we are saved by faith apart from works. He makes it clear if Abraham was saved by works, he has something to boast about. And that God saved us not by our works of righteousness (good deeds) but By Gods mercy. At face value, it appears James and Paul are apposed to each other. But we know this is not true. Why is James saying faith plus works. and Paul saying faith and no works. Can we determine this? I say yes we can. By looking at he context and audience to which each of them are talking to. In doing this, we see they agree with each other. Not apposed to each other. Can we explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro.Tan Posted March 18, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 693 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 120 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 9:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said: God Himself is holy, and God Himself lives inside of us due to the work of Christ. "Let no man therefore judge you in food or in drink or in respect of a holy day or of the feast days..." Colossians 2:16 In the Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast day are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who does not keep these feast day of the Lord. If they were judging them on those High and Holydays, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. On 3/17/2021 at 9:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said: --- It's all about actually believing Jesus, and Jesus said "whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do you even so to them, for this, is the law" If we believe Jesus, we therefore understand the whole law as being that one directive. Summarized in other places also; love God/love neighbor; love is the fulfilling of the law. "But now being freed from the Torah, having died to what we were held by, we should serve God in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" Romans 7:6 Therefore we need be most concerned about sincerely loving others instead of whether we eat pork or not. The literal 'spirit' of the law; sincere love for everyone, as Christ and Paul taught. Salvation is about a relationship with Christ, not about a legalistic list of rules to keep checking off; 'the letter' of the law. --- The spirit of the law is evident in the law and prophets: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your hearts.. Love ye therefore the stranger" Deuteronomy 10:16,19 is how Moses summarized the Torah. "Execute true justice and show mercy and compassion every man to his brother and oppress not the widow, fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor, and let none of you imagine evil in his heart." "But they refused to hear..." [to hear what dear one, what does Zechariah 7:11-12 say that Zechariah 7:9-10 is?] "the law." So what is the law? "Execute true justice and show mercy and compassion every man to his brother and oppress not the widow, fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor, and let none of you imagine evil in his heart." [7:9-10, 8:16-17] The law is summarized as above in many places throughout scripture: Job chapter 31 Deuteronomy 10:16,19 Proverbs 21:3 Psalms chapter 15 Isaiah 1:11-20 Isaiah 58:5-10 Jeremiah 23:4-5 Zechariah 7:9-12, 8:14-17 If we add in all the rules about love, we see that the majority of the law is about how we treat other people, not about foods and such. Exodus 21:22, 23:4-9 Leviticus, pretty much all of chapter 19 is about loving others. Notice even Deuteronomy 20:5-8,10-12,14,19,20. Clearly how we treat other people, and relations to other people is the heart/spirit of the matter, and is what all the prophets taught leading up to Joshua of Nazareth, who said the exact same things. "Do good to your enemies and them that hate you" Exodus 23:4-5 "Do good to your enemies and them that hate you" Luke 6:27 Thereby it is clear what is most important. ------- Sincerely love everyone; is the clearly declared spirit of the law and the prophets. To correctly follow the law, we must begin in spirit, not in letter. Neither can the law be sincerely followed devoid of the Spirit of God. A man empowered by faith in Christ can follow the spirit of the law, and mature to proper following of the rest as well. The laws thats nail to the cross today are the animal sacrificial laws. You quoting those verse by Paul not understanding what they mean. If I'm quoting Paul saying that the Holy Commandments are just, and good, and then you come back quoting Paul saying not to keep the law, normally that would confuse someone and hopefully make them think. Paul talks about to different laws in his writing. Paul said in "1 Corinthians 6:9" Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body, with unholiness or unGodliness, being an abomination. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law. You really need to understand the writing of and others and Paul, because you can't keep running to verses using them in a way to your destruction, if you want to get in the kingdom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlade Posted March 19, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,130 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1961 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Allot to touch on and I am not.. anyway. Just touching on a post above me now. HAHA not picking on this guy forgive me. So lets push over some carts. First some things I say/type here are my personal believe something some of you left/leave out in your posts. Seems to be many different truths here. Hmm lets make it simple. OT prophet said "when the spirit leave me to you?". Its not that way today. Today that sweet holy Spirit in me is the same in every other believer. So the "truth" will always be the same. Do we see? So we stay on the path not going left or right nor twisting His word. For me thats what was spoken to Tim Allot of speculation or adding to the word of God. I truly wonder if some live in the past OT. Christ died for the worlds sin and He took it away. See OT what was offered only forgave the past. Think.. this lamb died was buried and is over. NO! This lamb ROSE again and we also! No other sacrifice had done this. Do you know what that means? We rose with Him! Yet some over my years treat Him as if just another lamb that died. He left heaven became His creation... as Paul said to Jews that tried to offer a sacrifice for that sin they just did. There is no more sacrifice for that sin. He can not die again. Once and for ever. So if one is going to say only past is forgiven and not present or future then please back it up with His word. Something like this one should back it up for it can really cause some of His not mine not yours HIS kids to stumble that is something we are warned about. If you love Him obey Him. Please share how you love someone you don't know? Now if YOU say you know Him then YOU best be living as you preach. The 12 walked with Him day and night for years so they knew Him, to them He could say "if you love me keep my words". See I would never say that to anyone. Well am I living it every day ever moment? This kind of thing can cause so many problems in believers lifes I believe. So faith without works is dead. The biggest key here that I yet to ever see talked about on many forums is "FAITH". I've looked for someone to speak about it. Faith.. what is faith? Take Word of Faith like or not matters not they know faith. Brothers and sisters there is no one group that has all the truth. One body.. seems each has something and if we came together... Hello body of Christ! Faith is the key because faith is the only way to please Him. We are created in His image. Faith.. Peter and John "look at....name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth". They said later we didn't do this with our own power its "faith in that name". The soldier ..no you just speak the word.. Christ no where in all Israel have I seen great faith. Faith in John 3:16. Faith to know your sins have been forgiven. Faith to just believe in Him you have never seen and then are SO blessed. Faith that He will come back and get you. Fait like our Father we call those things that be not as though they were. Gee sounds like "what ever you desire when you pray believe (faith) you receive it and you shall have it". All according to? His word which is His will. I only speak on what I know. So what just what is faith with out works is dead? Try to just post only works.. try to just post only faith. Show all sides. Faith that every promise in His word He will keep. Faith that the Father sees you through what Christ has already done finished. You in His eyes are right now holy and righteous. Righteousness because you believe in Christ. Again the enemy out there.. just seems to not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 19, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,004 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 305 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19, 2021 15 hours ago, Bro.Tan said: You really need to understand the writing of and others and Paul, because you can't keep running to verses using them in a way to your destruction, if you want to get in the kingdom. Please pay close attention to what I write. Quote Sincerely love everyone; is the clearly declared spirit of the law and the prophets. To correctly follow the law, we must begin in spirit, not in letter. Neither can the law be sincerely followed devoid of the Spirit of God. A man empowered by faith in Christ can follow the spirit of the law, and mature to proper following of the rest as well. All the law is fulfilled in one word even this: love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore neither circumcision avails anything nor un-circumcision, but faith that demonstrates itself by love. This I say then, and testify in the Lord; walk in the Spirit (walk in love, God is love) and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Thereby we understand that to not be: fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners We must walk in the Spirit, it is walking in the Spirit, firstly, just as I said, that then leads to correct following of the rest, just as Paul and myself are telling you. ------- We are not saying that we do not follow the law, What is being taught is that correct following of the law must begin in spirit. The spirit of the law; sincere love, which can only sincerely happen by the power of the Holy Spirit via faith in Christ. And the good news, as proclaimed clearly by all the prophets beginning with Moses (as I showed you) is that the law has a clear summary, and God is most concerned about us simply keeping the summary of the law: love, yes, I already gave you all the scripture that clearly backs the truth up, I hope you take the time and examine each passage that I gave you. ------- Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances which were contrary to us... Therefore let no one judge you in food or respect of a holy day... Colossians 2:14-17 He that regards the day regards it to the Lord, and he that regards it not, to the Lord he regards it not.. Clearly the context of Paul's words, in each case, is an understanding that knowing Christ, and following Christ, is the fulfilling of the law, therefore the letter of the law is not important, we can eat what we want, and observe days or not. Yes, one believes that he can eat all things; and the other, who is weak in the faith, eats only herbs. > But the heart of the matter is sincere love < Therefore if thy brother be grieved with the meat your serving, serve him vegetables instead, for if you force him to eat what he does not want to, your not walking in love. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. For the kingdom of God is not in food and drink; but in righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things therewith one may build up one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popsthebuilder Posted March 19, 2021 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: Please pay close attention to what I write. All the law is fulfilled in one word even this: love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore neither circumcision avails anything nor un-circumcision, but faith that demonstrates itself by love. This I say then, and testify in the Lord; walk in the Spirit (walk in love, God is love) and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Thereby we understand that to not be: fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners We must walk in the Spirit, it is walking in the Spirit, firstly, just as I said, that then leads to correct following of the rest, just as Paul and myself are telling you. ------- We are not saying that we do not follow the law, What is being taught is that correct following of the law must begin in spirit. The spirit of the law; sincere love, which can only sincerely happen by the power of the Holy Spirit via faith in Christ. And the good news, as proclaimed clearly by all the prophets beginning with Moses (as I showed you) is that the law has a clear summary, and God is most concerned about us simply keeping the summary of the law: love, yes, I already gave you all the scripture that clearly backs the truth up, I hope you take the time and examine each passage that I gave you. ------- Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances which were contrary to us... Therefore let no one judge you in food or respect of a holy day... Colossians 2:14-17 He that regards the day regards it to the Lord, and he that regards it not, to the Lord he regards it not.. Clearly the context of Paul's words, in each case, is an understanding that knowing Christ, and following Christ, is the fulfilling of the law, therefore the letter of the law is not important, we can eat what we want, and observe days or not. Yes, one believes that he can eat all things; and the other, who is weak in the faith, eats only herbs. > But the heart of the matter is sincere love < Therefore if thy brother be grieved with the meat your serving, serve him vegetables instead, for if you force him to eat what he does not want to, your not walking in love. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. For the kingdom of God is not in food and drink; but in righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things therewith one may build up one another. ....yet circumcision of the heart avails much surely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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