Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

[Uriah]

8 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

So you do believe that the beheaded ones are not seated on thrones (Bride/Church)

Spiritual life is given to Believers at their Conversion.

So you see many groups, not all are the Bride.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Is this the answer I have been asking for? Did these folks experience a resurrection AFTER the one at the rapture and BEFORE the end of the thousand years?

 

[Uriah]

On 8/13/2019 at 4:37 PM, Montana Marv said:

Second Resurrection. A/C and False Prophet first. Next most likely Satan and fallen Angels, followed by those in the GWT Judgment.

In Christ

Montana Marv

First of all, fallen angels or any angel will not be resurrected, no such thing, Marv. The "second resurrection"-in scripture is 1,000 yrs. after the first. There aren't any others listed. Rev 20 says ..."THIS" is the first resurrection, and it contains those who die in the tribulation having resisted the mark supposedly 7 yrs AFTER pre trib teaches there was a rapture which is accompanied by a resurrection. (hoping you won't go into the usual pre trib word games here)

[Uriah]

10 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Then why did Saul fall to the ground if not for the presence of Christ.  The light was around Saul, not his companions, his companions still stood.  How do you know Christ was not there in physical form.  Acts 26:16 - I have appeared to you to appoint you.....

In Christ

Montana Marv

HEB. 9:28- so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

I think you are stretching meanings to do something un-called for in the scriptures, or weren't aware of this simple verse and how your explanation causes colliding scriptures.

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

First of all, fallen angels or any angel will not be resurrected, no such thing, Marv. The "second resurrection"-in scripture is 1,000 yrs. after the first. There aren't any others listed. Rev 20 says ..."THIS" is the first resurrection, and it contains those who die in the tribulation having resisted the mark supposedly 7 yrs AFTER pre trib teaches there was a rapture which is accompanied by a resurrection. (hoping you won't go into the usual pre trib word games here)

 

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

 

The destination for those of 2nd Resurrection is the Lake of Fire;  The fallen angels will all go there.  Eternal torment.

The destination for the Resurrection of the Just (First Resurrection) is the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Uriah]

2 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

 

The destination for those of 2nd Resurrection is the Lake of Fire;  The fallen angels will all go there.  Eternal torment.

The destination for the Resurrection of the Just (First Resurrection) is the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Yup, but you aren't answering some simple questions.

For example, after the pre trib rapture HOW do those OTHERS  who died during the tribulation AND those who survive to the end GET IN? Another rapture? A resurrection not listed in scripture?

[Montana Marv]

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

HEB. 9:28- so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

I think you are stretching meanings to do something un-called for in the scriptures, or weren't aware of this simple verse and how your explanation causes colliding scriptures.

You also stretch the meaning of Scripture.  We meet the Lord in the Air.  To tie this to or at the Second Coming is not in Scripture.  Just a theological position.  You tie the unknown time of the Rapture to the Second Coming which is a known time.  I tie the unknown time of the Rapture to the unknown time for the beginning of the 70th Week.  I deal with two unknowns, you deal with only one unknown and tie it to a known event.  Which would be harder to calculate, and thus not in Scripture.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Uriah]

2 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

You also stretch the meaning of Scripture.  We meet the Lord in the Air.  To tie this to or at the Second Coming is not in Scripture.  Just a theological position.  You tie the unknown time of the Rapture to the Second Coming which is a known time.  I tie the unknown time of the Rapture to the unknown time for the beginning of the 70th Week.  I deal with two unknowns, you deal with only one unknown and tie it to a known event.  Which would be harder to calculate, and thus not in Scripture.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

I say Jesus tied the gathering of His elect to the time His second coming. 

 

[Montana Marv]

 

3 minutes ago, Uriah said:

Yup, but you aren't answering some simple questions.

For example, after the pre trib rapture HOW do those OTHERS  who died during the tribulation AND those who survive to the end GET IN? Another rapture? A resurrection not listed in scripture?

They don't get Raptured.  The Rapture is the Blessed Hope for the Bride.  They will later be transformed.  No meeting the Lord in the Air.  In the twinkling of the eye, they will be made new with an eternal body.  Saints which are Pre Flood; Pre Israel, those righteous of Israel, new 70th Week believers, Those whose souls are under the Altar in Heaven pleading for their blood to be avenged, those who become just through the Mill.  All will be changed.  Yet not Raptured.

There are only Two Resurrections; One for the Just, Next for the Unjust.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Uriah]

Just now, Montana Marv said:

 

They don't get Raptured.  The Rapture is the Blessed Hope for the Bride.  They will later be transformed.  No meeting the Lord in the Air.  In the twinkling of the eye, they will be made new with an eternal body.  Saints which are Pre Flood; Pre Israel, those righteous of Israel, new 70th Week believers, Those whose souls are under the Altar in Heaven pleading for their blood to be avenged, those who become just through the Mill.  All will be changed.  Yet not Raptured.

There are only Two Resurrections; One for the Just, Next for the Unjust.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Rev. 19:1- And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:...

8- And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Well here is the bride in the air. AND she is only now-at the time Jesus comes on the white horse- given her new attire- NOT BEFORE!!! This is the post trib rapture.

 

[Montana Marv]

5 minutes ago, Uriah said:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

I say Jesus tied the gathering of His elect to the time His second coming. 

 

 

One thing, the Bride rejoices at the sight of the Bridegroom.  The Bride does not mourn.  Now the angel gather the elect from one end of heaven to the other.  How did these elect get there?  The Rapture at an earlier date.  The angels also gather the elect from the four winds; North, South, East and West from Jerusalem, all physical flesh and blood bodies.  Later to be ruled by Christ with a rod of iron.

In Christ

Montana Marv