FreeGrace Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,452 Content Per Day: 8.14 Reputation: 613 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: The Bride is not resurrected, it ascends. Where does the Bible say that? The "Bride" is a reference to all believers since the ascension. Most will already be in heaven by the time of the resurrection. You can read all about them, plus all the other saints in heaven in Rev 19. 11 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: We have already been crucified with Christ. Been buried in his baptism, arose with Him all by the power of the Holy Spirit. That refers our being identified with Him in His death, burial and resurection. But we haven't been resurrected yet. Not until He comes back to earth. 1 Cor 15:23 says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: Does not matter. 1 Cor 15:23 says plainly that "those who belong to Him" will be in the singular resurrection. There is only 1 resurrection for the saved. Every verse that is about resurrection uses the singular. There are no "phases", etc. Just one. Dan 12:2, John 5:29, Acts 24:15. Jesus spoke of THE resurrection when referring to the saved. There are no verses that support multiple resurrections. It is a construct to try to make a pre-trib rapture work. Without multiple resurrections, pre-trib rapture cannot work. And there is only one, at the end of the Tribulation. An individual can only be resurrected once. When they become resurrected is a different story. Christ the First Fruit. Then we who are his. The Bride. Then.... In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 10 hours ago, transmogrified said: The scripture says all are changed at the same time- not in intervals… we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump… That would make these void 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. SO they can't all go at the same time 16For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If those who have fallen asleep DON'T ASCEND then they have DESCENDED and are in hell, the place the spiritually dead and those with sin go to pay the penalty, PERISHED. AND THIS COULDN'T BE TRUE EITHER 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. IF no one was resurrecting ALREADY the RESURRECTION of the dead COULDN'T HAVE COME it would have to be 'by man WILL BE COMING the resurrection of the dead We either believe what is written or our own religion 20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. That would SPEAKING to THOSE WHO HAD ALREADY DIED, not of everyone who ever was going to. We have to take into account the CHANGING of the Covenants and the promises made and the Justice OF GOD. So that also means it can't be everyone all at once 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. So, it started out with Christ descending and when He ascended He led the captivity with Him to heaven, That would be Christ and the firstfruits, FROM THAT TIME as He told those who believe while they live will never die, EVERY man in his own order, that would be everyone as the are born and die with the gift of salvation Then when He returns AFTERWARD, there will be LEFT ON THE EARTH who are alive and remaining, those who endured to the end those who overcame THOSE who are HIS when He returns That also negates everyone being raised all at one time. BUT YOU KNOW WHO HASN'T BEEN RAISED UP IN ALL THAT TIME? THE DEAD EVERYONE WHO HAS GONE TO HELL IS STILL IN HELL but when He returns THE DEAD RISE....AND ALL OF THEM ALL AT ONCE RISE UP BECAUSE EVERY KNEE WILL BOW.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: Where does the Bible say that? The "Bride" is a reference to all believers since the ascension. Most will already be in heaven by the time of the resurrection. You can read all about them, plus all the other saints in heaven in Rev 19. What other group can be identified as being Filled/Indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Only the Bride, since Pentecost. Many need to refresh themselves on; Who they are in Christ Jesus as the Bride. Or put it another way, What has Jesus Christ not done for you as the Bride. Has He done it All for you?? , or are there gaps. 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: That refers our being identified with Him in His death, burial and resurection. But we haven't been resurrected yet. Not until He comes back to earth. 1 Cor 15:23 says so. Rom 6:5 - If we have been united with him like this in his death, we be certainly be united with him in his resurrection. Do you see the wording here; We are united with him in HIS Resurrection, not our resurrection, or by his resurrection In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 SAINTS 40. hagios ► Strong's Concordance hagios: sacred, holy Original Word: ἅγιος, ία, ον Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: hagios Phonetic Spelling: (hag'-ee-os) Definition: sacred, holy Usage: set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred. HELPS Word-studies 40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other ("otherness"), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means "likeness of nature with the Lord" because "different from the world." The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is "different" – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios ("holy") because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios ("holy") has the "technical" meaning "different from the world" because "like the Lord." [40 (hágios) implies something "set apart" and therefore "different (distinguished/distinct)" – i.e. "other," because special to the Lord.] 41Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness. 2623. chasid ► Strong's Concordance chasid: kind, pious Original Word: חָסִיד Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: chasid Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-seed') Definition: kind, pious godly man, good, holy one, merciful, saint, ungodly From chacad; properly, kind, i.e. (religiously) pious (a saint) -- godly (man), good, holy (one), merciful, saint, (un-)godly. WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP TRYING TO DIVIDE WHAT THE LORD HAS MADE ONE? BOTH are being built into a TEMPLE. The foundation is of Israel, The prophets are of Israel The promises are to Israel, Gods inheritance is Israel the Root is of Israel, The natural branches are of Israel, The grafted in are become JOINT HEIRS of the Commonwealth of Israel. The church is of Israel not separate, not all off on its own course, just those who aren't of the bloodline seed are adopted seed IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK AND IT SWIMS LIKE A DUCK....do not be deceived by any man.... If it isn't written, and it makes void the words of God along the way, It ISN'T OF GOD....do not be deceived by any man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.62 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Montana Marv said: So it is done all at Post Mill then, is that what you are saying. For many come out from the 70th Week Alive to repopulated the earth. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22 KJV "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days." Mark 13:20 KJV The whole world will be deceived "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV How do you get from those TRUTHS to 'many come from the 70th week alive'? How many FLESH AND BLOOD bodies live through FIRE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: How do you get from those TRUTHS to 'many come from the 70th week alive'? Rev 20:7 - When the 1000 years were over, Satan will be released, and go out to deceive the nations....... The number of them was like the sand on the seashores. People born during the Mill, still have the seed of Adam in them, so can be influenced. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,518 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,326 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Online Share Posted September 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22 KJV "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days." Mark 13:20 KJV The whole world will be deceived "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV How do you get from those TRUTHS to 'many come from the 70th week alive'? How many FLESH AND BLOOD bodies live through FIRE? @DeighAnn That verse at 1 Thess. 4.17 is indeed very precious and can often be considered together with 1 Cor. 11.26: 'till He come'. Meanwhile His people serve Him by His grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 43 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: What other group can be identified as being Filled/Indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Only the Bride, since Pentecost. Many need to refresh themselves on; Who they are in Christ Jesus as the Bride. Or put it another way, What has Jesus Christ not done for you as the Bride. Has He done it All for you?? , or are there gaps. Rom 6:5 - If we have been united with him like this in his death, we be certainly be united with him in his resurrection. Do you see the wording here; We are united with him in HIS Resurrection, not our resurrection, or by his resurrection In Christ Montana Marv Read those that did in the tribulation die in the Lord.. they have the same spirit believers have now… the New Testament is still in effect during the tribulation.. So those that die in Christ are in the tribulation and have the spirit but pre trib doesn’t include them when zech. And Paul includes them as when he comes all the saints will come with him.. OT are saints, New Testament are saints, tribulation saints are saints.. they all will come back with Jesus.. pre trib itself says it’s only the dead in Christ that go but tribulation saints die in Christ so pre trib is not even true to itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 4, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: What other group can be identified as being Filled/Indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Only the Bride, since Pentecost. Many need to refresh themselves on; Who they are in Christ Jesus as the Bride. Or put it another way, What has Jesus Christ not done for you as the Bride. Has He done it All for you?? , or are there gaps. Rom 6:5 - If we have been united with him like this in his death, we be certainly be united with him in his resurrection. Do you see the wording here; We are united with him in HIS Resurrection, not our resurrection, or by his resurrection In Christ Montana Marv The bride according to Rev 21 is both old and New Testament saints.. the bride according to pre trib is only those from Pentecost to the alleged pre trib rapture… false doctrine .. read it - she had 12 foundations and the 12 apostles plus 12 gates with names of 12 tribes .. these are all the saints that come down from heaven- not an isolated section from Pentecost to the alleged pre trib rapture church - ALL the saints does not mean PART of the saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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