Montana Marv Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, DeighAnn said: The MAN MADE CHURCH AGE. If it ended there could be no TRIB SAINTS The age brought on by the Father, the one who draws people to his Son. The ones who have the full armor of God. Those who are given the Fruits of the Spirit. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 And only those of the Bride have need for water Baptism and the need for Communion. No other group of people past or present has a need for them. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,117 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted September 11, 2023 20 hours ago, DeighAnn said: 22 hours ago, WilliamL said: One doesn't, because the 70th week has nothing to do with the End Times. I have a few questions given that statement (the conversions are for me to keep it straight) First, why close up and seal up the words till the time of the end if it has nothing to do with the end time? And why do you believe the same times are given both Daniel and Revelation? Please refrain from misrepresenting what I wrote, which is what you do in the first sentence. Re: your second sentence, only SOME of the same times are in both books. Rev. has neither seven nor seventy week periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,117 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted September 11, 2023 20 hours ago, Montana Marv said: 22 hours ago, WilliamL said: One doesn't, because the 70th week has nothing to do with the End Times. Then Daniel 9.24 has been fulfilled... Yes, it has; shown here: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1568-daniel-924-27-examined-part-1-verse-24/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Only those indwelt by the Holy Spirit as at Pentecost are his Bride. In Christ Montana Marv "For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool." Mark 12:36 KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: The age brought on by the Father, the one who draws people to his Son. The ones who have the full armor of God. Those who are given the Fruits of the Spirit. In Christ Montana Marv The lost sheep of the House of Israel, the BRANCHES NOT CUT OFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: And only those of the Bride have need for water Baptism and the need for Communion. No other group of people past or present has a need for them. In Christ Montana Marv Now that you have established the church age is a conclusion of man and not written in the words of God how about we do the same for the Bride of Christ got anyone teaching we are the bride of Christ? If so who teaches us and where is it written. Can't wait to see this bride of Christ in the bible. Here are the verses I found for bride, I must have missed the one you are speaking of, or is it also like the PT doctrine, the church age, just another CONCLUSION of man, nothing taught by anyone God gave His words to? Isaiah 49:18 Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth. Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. Jeremiah 2:32 Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number. Jeremiah 7:34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate. Jeremiah 16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. Jeremiah 25:10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. Jeremiah 33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD. Joel 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 hours ago, WilliamL said: Please refrain from misrepresenting what I wrote, which is what you do in the first sentence. Re: your second sentence, only SOME of the same times are in both books. Rev. has neither seven nor seventy week periods. Apologies for the mistakes, do you want me to try and re write the question or do you know what I was asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, DeighAnn said: Now that you have established the church age is a conclusion of man and not written in the words of God how about we do the same for the Bride of Christ got anyone teaching we are the bride of Christ? If so who teaches us and where is it written. Can't wait to see this bride of Christ in the bible. Eph 5:22-33 - Wives submit to your husband as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as Christ is head of the church, his body, of which he is savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her, to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the Word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church without spot or wrinkle or any blemish, but holy and blameless..... For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a profound mystery - but I am talking about Christ and the church. The church is a her. 2 Cor 11:2 - I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. The Bride, Betrothal from God the Father 1 Cor 12:12 - The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts, and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For were were all baptized by one Spirit, into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. v.27 - Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. and in this church God has appointed........ One Spirit brings us together, Pentecost and onward In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.64 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Eph 5:22-33 - Wives submit to your husband as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as Christ is head of the church, his body, of which he is savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her, to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the Word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church without spot or wrinkle or any blemish, but holy and blameless..... For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united with his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a profound mystery - but I am talking about Christ and the church. The church is a her. Your bible reads funny... Ephesians 5:18 And not to be drunk with wine in which is debauchery. Instead be filled with [the] Spirit 19 speaking to each other in psalms and hymns and songs spiritual singing and making melody in the heart of you to the Lord 20 giving thanks at all times for all things in [the] name the Lord of us Jesus Christ to the God and Father 21 Be submitting yourselves to one another in reverence of Christ 22 wives, to the own husbands, as to the Lord 23 for [the] husband is head of the wife as also Christ [is the] head of the church, He Himself Saviour of the body 24 But even as the church is subjected to Christ, so also wives to the own husbands in everything 25 Husbands love the wives, just as also Christ loved the church and Himself gave up for her 26 so that her He might sanctify having cleansed [her] by the washing of water by [the] word 27 so that might present He to Himself in glory the church not having spot or wrinkle or any of the such things but that it would be holy and blameless 28 so ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself 29 No one for at any time the of himself flesh hated but he nourishes and cherishes it, just as also [does] Christ the church 30 for members we are of the body of Him, of the flesh of him and of the bones of him 31 Because of this, will leave a man his father and mother and be joined to the wife of him and will be the two into flesh one 32 The mystery this great is; I however speak as to Christ and as to the church 33 However also you according to individual each the of himself wife, so let love as himself and the wife that she may respect the husband WE are members of the body of Him, and this is speaking to the closeness of the relationship we have with Him and He with us So, are we AS MEMBERS OF HIS BODY, marrying OURSELVES? Shouldn't what is written ALWAYS follow after COMMON SENSE? Shouldn't we be reading this to understand the points that are being made rather THAN trying to PROVE A DOCTRINE TO BE TRUE? The absolute STRETCHES that are made for that are so far from basic common sense again and again and again. I can almost count on whatever put forth as being a stretch away...and always for the doctrine, never for the TRUTH. Will there ever be a VERSE PUT FORTH that is more about GODS TRUTH and less about the doctrine? Maybe the next verse will SAY what you claim it will say. 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: 2 Cor 11:2 - I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. The Bride, Betrothal from God the Father OF COURSE you leave out everything around it that sheds light on what is being said and why... 1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 877. aphrosuné ► Strong's Concordance aphrosuné: foolishness Original Word: ἀφροσύνη, ῆς, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: aphrosuné Phonetic Spelling: (af-ros-oo'-nay) Definition: foolishness Usage: want of sense, foolishness, impiety, wickedness. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 877 aphrosýnē – lack of perspective, emphasizing its quality (foolishness) – note the -synē suffix (focusing on the inherent quality of a term). See 878 (aphrōn). 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things. Might as well look at the last one 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: 1 Cor 12:12 - The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts, and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For were were all baptized by one Spirit, into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. v.27 - Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. and in this church God has appointed........ One Spirit brings us together, Pentecost and onward When was it KING DAVID RULED OVER ISRAEL???? One Spirit has always brought us together. Just as one spirit has always been seeking to divide us. "For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool." Mark 12:36 KJV BUT none of those make us the Bride of Christ. When I tried to find BRIDE OF CHRIST and there was NOT ONE PASSAGE in which that was mentioned, I was shocked. Then again, it's just like pre trib rapture and church age isn't it? NONE OF THEM WRITTEN IN THE WORDS OF GOD. I DON'T THINK I am ABLE TO SAY THAT ENOUGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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