Uriah Posted May 9, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Da Puppers said: I take it that you interpret the seals, trumpets and vials concurrently, rather then sequentially. There is therefore no real value in discussing these things because a concurrent view of these things makes the book of revelation a schizophrenic diagram of the events and time markers that are given to them. Be Blessed, The PuP No problem Pup God (will) Bless you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Uriah said: Hello TheLight, Gen 7:11- In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Gen 7:12- And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Gen 7:13- In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; Your ploy to stop right before the rest of the verses that show this is remarkable. Either that or you paid no attention to what I said about pre-telling & re-telling recurring in the O.T. Better off to just believe the scriptures, eh? No need to omit the part that finishes off the story. Jesus said it was so, yet you say, "no chance..." Hey Uriah, You are having a problem with the facts. The facts are, Noah was told to enter the ark and Noah was told there was yet 7 days until the earth would be flooded. Then Noah entered the ark. Then after Noah entered the ark we have this fact. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. If Noah is instructed to enter the ark and told in yet 7 days it will flood. And Noah enters the ark and it came to pass after 7 days that the flood waters were upon the earth. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FLOOD TO BEGIN ON THE selfsame DAY THAT NOAH ENTERS THE ARK. What can happen on the selfsame day is that Noah, and his family and the animals can enter the ark. But it is impossible given the facts that it can rain on the same day. You need to pay attention to the details and the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Da Puppers said: Rev 11:18 says that his wrath "is come - aorist participle". This means that the time of action of the verb IS specified and that time is the sounding of the 7th trumpet. You are correct about the wrath of God not beginning when the kings of the earth acknowledge "for the great day of His wrath is come" However, the wrath of God begins at the opening of the 7 seal when the angel begin blowing the trumpets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Da Puppers said: Quote The gathering of the elect is not a rapture event but is a gathering of the prophets and saints from the 4 corners of the earth, as Rev 11 states. The gathering of the elect can be seen in Matt 24 as has been shown. It is also in Rev 6 as has been shown. This gathering of the elect is done by the angels before the day of the Lord begins. We can confirm this fact in 2 Thes 2 2 Thes 2 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Quote This is also found in Isa 11: Verse list: Isa 11:11-12 KJV And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Brother, you have taken this completely out of context. This speaks of the physical regathering that is occurring after the dispersal by the Romans in 70AD. This gathering of Judah is happening in Israel to this day and is the SECOND TIME that Israel returns to the land. The first dispersal was by the Babylonians, when Israel was taken to Babylon. Cyrus the Great, allowed the Jews to return to their land and rebuild their Temple. As I said, you are taking the verse in Isaiah 11 out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Da Puppers said: Quote The children of Israel will not be protected in some solitary location but will be scattered into all winds (the whole world). It is a myth to think that they will be protected in a solitary place. Nope, not a myth. Rev 12 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. Isaiah 26 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Quote Numerous passages depict this worldwide scattering of Israel. Those passages you are taking out of context. The 1st dispersion ended when Israel was allowed to return to the land in 538BC by Cyrus the great. The second dispersion was by the Romans around 70 AD. Judah has been returning to the land since Israel was declared a nation in 1948. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Da Puppers said: Quote There is no rapture until the Lord shouts before his camp in Jerusalem, a shout that will shake the heavens and the earth. Simply not correct. Quote Verse list: Jer 25:29-33 KJV For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. Joe 2:11 KJV And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? Joe 3:16-17 KJV The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Amo 1:2 KJV And he said, The LORD will roar from Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the habitations of the shepherds shall mourn, and the top of Carmel shall wither. These verses have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the rapture. These verses have to do with the day of the Lord. Paul says that the gathering to the Lord occurs BEFORE the day of the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Last Daze said: Rev 6 - 11 is sequential. Rev 12-19 expounds on 6-11. That's how I see it anyway. Hey Last Daze, Are you saying that the 7 vials are a different view of the 7 trumpets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 8 hours ago, The Light said: Hey Uriah, You are having a problem with the facts. The facts are, Noah was told to enter the ark and Noah was told there was yet 7 days until the earth would be flooded. Then Noah entered the ark. Then after Noah entered the ark we have this fact. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. If Noah is instructed to enter the ark and told in yet 7 days it will flood. And Noah enters the ark and it came to pass after 7 days that the flood waters were upon the earth. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FLOOD TO BEGIN ON THE selfsame DAY THAT NOAH ENTERS THE ARK. What can happen on the selfsame day is that Noah, and his family and the animals can enter the ark. But it is impossible given the facts that it can rain on the same day. You need to pay attention to the details and the facts. Hi TheLight So now it is clear that you stop at v. 10 multiple times. Doing this on purpose. It took 7 days for the animals to fill the ark. V. 13 says Noah "entered", Jesus uses the word "entered". Before v. 13 the narrative is preparatory to the action of entering. Basic reading comprehension. Pre-telling/overview of the coming sentences. You are looking like you avoid the whole of scripture to protect a pet doctrine. Just BELIEVE the scriptures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 7 hours ago, The Light said: Hey Last Daze, Are you saying that the 7 vials are a different view of the 7 trumpets? Not exactly. The trumpets and vials are bookends of the seven plagues. A trumpet begins a plague and a vial brings it to its fullness. Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished. After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened, and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple, clothed in linen, clean and bright, and girded around their chests with golden sashes. Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever. Revelation 15:1, 5-7 There are only seven plagues and within them the wrath of God is completed. The vials (bowls) that are given to the plague angels are poured out to bring about the end of their plagues. The pattern of the seals and plagues is similar to that of Jericho. At Jericho, they marched around the city for seven days, and seven times on the seventh day. In Revelation, there are seven seals, and seven plagues within the seventh seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted May 10, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2019 I've put together a little pdf booklet that's a summation of decades of thoughts and musings on the return of Christ. If you're interested, you can download it from this link: The Last Trumpet on the Last Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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