sorry to bother you all

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k I was going to read some scripture and ehad to bed, well that kind of backfired i read some and now I have a question in Joshua 2 basically 2 spies go into jericho to kind of feel out the town so to speak. now the two spies go to rahabs house and lodged there but somehow the king found out and sent men to rahab asking for the two men that had come to her, but she had hid them on the roof ( to my understanding) but she told the guards that she didnt know where they went josh 2:4 and then 2:5 she says it was about the time of the shutting of the gate and they went out but she was nto sure where. I just have a question, not that I am doubting God but didn't she lie to the guards ( granted she was helping men of God) but still you know? kidn of curious was she a believer non believer i am assuming the men with joshua were. further in the chapter she goes up to talk to them men on the roof and talks about how she knows to fear their God because he dried up the red sea for them etc. so guess i am confused with, did she lie to save brethren or was she a non believer and kind of started seekign God after she lied? maybe I am misreading thanks =)

Josh

going to pray about it and go to bed before i go nuts thinking on it lol

[roc_rus]

Smith's Bible Dictionary

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awesome, thank you very very much for posting that, didn't realize they made reference to it later on. very cool.

Thanks,

Josh

[Guest Zayit]

( Funny, I was just reading through Joshua two nights ago so this is fresh in my mind).

I believe that she was in fear just like the rest of the town was, this may have been since she was born, we don't know her age, so she believed that anyone that fought against them would most likely be slaughtered, so she exchanged their two lifes ( by lieing) for her own and that of her relatives. She beleived that their G-d was mighty, she knew nothing of the 10 commandments nor that she was doing anything but trying to save lives.

I believe , as many Jews do , that to lie to save someones life is mercy and not a sin. There were many Christians that lied to the Germans and Poles etc during WWII to save Jewish lives, and I do not believe that the L-Rd finds them guilty for that at all. And Jews consider them righteous gentiles.

[Trust & Obey]

I believe , as many Jews do , that to lie to save someones life is mercy and not a sin. There were many Christians that lied to the Germans and Poles etc during WWII to save Jewish lives, and I do not believe that the L-Rd finds them guilty for that at all. And Jews consider them righteous gentiles.

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I agree with this. Rahab found her way into the "hall of faith" in relation to this incident (Heb 11:31).

We also see God blessing the midwives in Exodus Ch.1 for lying to the Egyptians in order to save the lives of the babies.

Exo 1:15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:

Exo 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.

Exo 1:17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.

Exo 1:18 And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?

Exo 1:19 And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them.

Exo 1:20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.

Exo 1:21 And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.

In the passage above the midwives lie to Pharaoh in order to save the lives of the children. They are subsequently blessed by God because they did not kill the babies out of fear of God.

[Anne]

I don't know if this will help, but the book of James has a short passage on this, it speaks of the faith which she had.

If you look back, through the archives I think it is in General Discussion, there was quite an intensive study done on that very subject some months back.

Happy Hunting

Your Sister in Christ Jesus

Anne

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There are other instances in the Bible where lies were told in order to spare lives or to further a specific cause for God. In particular, the 2 spies who were hidden in a well that a woman had covered over with a cloth and spread grain on it... I believe the men were some of David's followers, and their pursuers were from Saul? ... Well, anyway... my personal point of view is that it is easier to confess to a lie later, than it would be to bear the guilt and conscience of death or harm to an innocent person as the result of telling the truth. I dont say this as a point to be debated. This is all I have to say about it.