Is Paradise the same as Heaven?

[Snow4JC]

re: Is paradise the same as Heaven?

Snow

[Guest netwattie]

well, paradise is the place we go to until Christ completes his plan in revelation- where we eventually have heaven on Earth as the new Jerusalem, but until then we go to paradise as a place before that

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Michael

[Guest netwattie]

Remember that Christ refers to paradise when he is on the cross- and not heaven.

He is referring to the fact that heaven is not the place yet- paradise is above- but heaven is on Earth later

[Guest netwattie]

Ya actually I got that kind of messed up sorry, um heaven is where we go when we die- paradise was the holding place for the saints who turned up around the place after Jesus was resurrected.

So we go to heaven above- and then later it becomes heaven on earth

[Ovedya]

well, paradise is the place we go to until Christ completes his plan in revelation- where we eventually have heaven on Earth as the new Jerusalem, but until then we go to paradise as a place before that

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Michael

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On the nosey.

...You were right the first time.

[uvn477]

I was always under the impression that people went to paradise only before Jesus died and was resurrected. Because Jesus died we can go straight to our Creator instead of being stuck in paradise.

[Ovedya]

Being stuck in paradise?

Well, brother, you can stick me in paradise any day.

Seriously, though, I think that there is a common misconception that when a person dies they go straight to heaven. This is largely due to the confusion between the soul and the spirit. The Bible affirms that the human spirit returns to God when the flesh dies. However, it is the soul that is the thinking and feeling part of our being. With regard to the soul the Bible only gives us two clues as to what happens when we pass. The first is Paradise, and the other is sleep. Although the "soul sleep" theology is widely rejected, I think it has some merits; and although the "Paradise" theology has some merits, I think that is can also be argued against.

There is a tradition in the church (The church has formed various "cultures" over the centuries. These cultures largely dictate the traditional doctrines of the churches.) that "heaven" is the New Jerusalem, and that when we die we are whisked away to this heavenly city to live in our own personal mansion built by Christ. However, the Bible never has painted such a picture of God's holy city, or of heaven.

[Trust & Obey]

Paradise was the comforting side of Abraham's bosom that you read about in Luke 16.

[Remnant]

a soul is a person or an animal. the word "soul" translated means "being".

A soul dies. When a person dies. His breathe is removed. The shell which is the body returns to dust, like God said it would.

No where in the bible does it say that our breath continues to live. When we die, our mind are gone. The soul-sleep is the only bible definition we have on death. NO where is taught we go to be with God. And NO ABSEnt from the BODY, Is to PRESENT with LORD, only makes the soul-sleep the only logical choice.

Ask yourself this. What happens when you sleep at night? Can you tell what tiime it is while you are sleep? Can you tell me what is happening while you are sleep? This is what death is like. Absent of all thought, love, and work. THere is no knowledge or nor devices in the grave. I quoting Soloman's Ecclesiates..

"For the living know that they shall die, but the dead no not anything"

So what can a dead man tell you? NOthing.

Satan has angels who masked themselves as dead loved ones to trick people. The will tell them things that of importance to gain your confidence with the ultimately thought they want you lose out on heaven. It is a SIN to consort with spirits. The evil angels know this and know that GOD is not happy with it.

God hates witchcraft; God only remedy was to have the people who talked with spirits done away. God never changes.