WJRST?

[Guest shiloh357]

So...

Do all the born-again Christians here on this site think all the Jews that were gassed by the Nazis are damned to Hell just because they were Jews??

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They did not go to hell for being Jews. They went to hell because they did not know the Messiah.

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So...if the prison guard who gassed them believed in Christ, he gets into heaven; but the people he murders don't??

If that's true, it sound to me like God has chosen to foresake His Chosen people.

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First of all, the Nazis were not Christians. Secondly, being chosen has nothing to do with it. No one gets into heaven without Jesus, period. "Chosen" does not mean "favorite." It does not mean that Jews get special, preferential treatment where salvation is concerned. We Jews have to be saved the same way as everyone else.

[Gerioke]

Didn't being chosen mean that the Christ would be Jewish?

[Guest shiloh357]

First of all, the Nazis were not Christians.

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Some of them certainly were.

But now, according to you, being a member of the Nazi party excludes someone from Heaven. Sounds to me that in your theology, there ARE sins that can't be forgiven.

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Anyone who supported the nazi party and its agenda, or were devout members of the party, could certainly be fortgiven if they put their faith in Christ and repented of their sins and forsook the ideologies of naziism. But that is beside the point.

The point is that NO ONE gets to heaven, without a true faith in Jesus Christ; NO ONE.

[RGR]

First of all, the Nazis were not Christians.

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Some of them certainly were.

But now, according to you, being a member of the Nazi party excludes someone from Heaven. Sounds to me that in your theology, there ARE sins that can't be forgiven.

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Anyone who supported the ideas of the Nazi party was not a Christian.

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How did we get from Christ dying for one person to Schindler's list?

[Guest shiloh357]

Oskar Schindler was a Nazi....and probably believed more in Germany than in Christ.

Is he damned??

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If Oskar Schindler did not receive Jesus as His Savior, then yes he is in hell right now.

Tell me Phil, do you have a problem with the words of Jesus?

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. NO MAN COMETH TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME." John 14:6

Jesus makes it pretty clear that without Him no one can be saved. It doesn't matter what you did, or how good you were, or what race you are born into. There is only one way to salvation. Why do you look for ways to circumvent that?

[Guest shiloh357]

Tell me Phil, do you have a problem with the words of Jesus?

[Pipit]

So, back to the question "Would Jesus Really say that?"

Regardless if Jesus would really have said that or not, there is nothing in the Bible that says he did. However, there are alot of things in the Bible he did say, and I think we should start remembering those things, things such as "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes unto the father but through me" and "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture" and "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not parish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that through him the would may be save. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but he who does not believe stands condemned already." And I confident that we all can find other writings and teaching throughout both the Old and New Testaments that supports the fact that salvation is through Christ alone, and that salvation is available to all who call on the name of the Lord and believe.

As for this debate regarding Jews and if God has forsaken them may go well in another thread. Certainly it is a good topic and worth discussing, but it is NOT the topic this thread is intended to be about.