Corporal Punishment

[Ovedya]

The "Spare the rod" verse is really true. Parents that do not discipline their children in a good and moral way, such as corporal punishment practiced correctly, raise children that are devoid of absolute morality. Morality is dependent upon the situation and not held to an absolute standard of righteousness. Therefore, we should not be surprised that children take drugs, consume alcohol, engage in sex, voilence, and immoral acts unspeakable, at an incresingly younger age. Some parents realize only too late that their refusal to punish their children in any way resulted in their children's poor judgment and behavioral problems. But sadly, I think that most parents do not come to this realization at all.

[OneAccord]

In the world system of parenting, children are considered innately 'good' and that we are to cultivate this goodness in them by setting an example of kindness, gentleness, nonviolence, etc.

Sounds good, eh? There's some very convincing literature on this style of parenting BUT it does not work. I have personally listened to mothers give eloquent speeches about parenting and loving guidance, negotiating with your children, the dangers of spanking, while simulataneously witnessing their unruly children running roughshod all over them.

The TRUTH is that children are born with a SIN NATURE with feet that run swiftly to evil. One of my favorite Proverbs is "A child left to himself will bring his mother to shame". Children will not make choices for the good by their own nature, they must be taught.

I could go on and on about this but I won't.

The Ritalin epidemic that I mentioned earlier is HUGE and DISTURBING and a direct result of Satan's attacks on the family

in the realm of discipline, what a perfect strategy, eh? Sometimes you gotta admire his clever ploys.

Out-of-control teenagers is another HUGE problem, getting worse and worse. They call it Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD) which is the teen version of ADD.

Great topic.

[OneAccord]

Here's a beautiful article on parenting God's way:

SHEPHERDING OUR FLOCK

By Nancy Campbell

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Why is Psalm 23 the most well loved psalm? Because each one of us needs someone to guide and care for us. How much more do children need a shepherd to watch over them. We see a beautiful picture of God as a Shepherd, especially of the little ones, in Isaiah 40:11. "He shall feed His flock like a Shepherd: He shall gather the lambs with His arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young."

What a beautiful picture of our God. In the same way that God shepherds His flock, I

[Guest shilou]

When my children were small I read Dr. Spock and tried his methods. My sons idea of time out was a place to imagine he was a fighter pilot, it was not effective. Yes I spanked when they were small and then had no need of it later because just a look stopped them in their tracks. I work in a resturant and am so amazed on a daily basis watching small children demand, and run the entire meal. Parents are bowing and scraping to please a small tyrant who is beyond the point of being pleased. I recall one time my son would not keep his hands off the items on a table at a resturant, I told him if I had to tell him again he would be sitting in the car, well he pushed and to the car he went. Me and my daughters ate in peace. He never did that again. I used to tell him back then hands in your lap and feet together under the table. We all went to eat recently and he is now 20. My daughters and I had a laugh at his expense because when we sat he immediately put his hands in his lap. My daughters thankfully are applying the lessons learned in our home and my grand-daughters because of this are a joy to be around. But some peoples kids I can only tolerate for short periods of time because they are completely out of control. God commanded us to bring our children up in His ways, a part of His ways is discipline as we all know. Early discipline by a discerning parent can help a child to avoid some of the Lords discipline later on, and we all know we would rather be spanked by our earthly father rather than our heavenly one. The pain is much easier to bear.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[Catsmeow]

. I recall one time my son would not keep his hands off the items on a table at a resturant, I told him if I had to tell him again he would be sitting in the car, well he pushed and to the car he went. Me and my daughters ate in peace. He never did that again. 

I just heard about this on Dr. Phil. He said exactly what you just said.

The topic concerned kids out of of control. Dr. Phil's advice was to warn the kid once, then no more warnings. Next time he/she acts up - it doesn't matter if you have a cart full of groceries - take the child out of the store and bring them home.

It's a pain in the neck but it will teach them that you mean what you say. He said that kids are checking for boundaries. If they know you're all talk and no action, they'll keep pushing.

I agree that it was good to set the boy in the car but today's society has tied parents' hands to they can no longer discipline their kids. Society's gotten soft on discipline.

Nevertheless, I think the point you're making is to take definitive action and show that you mean what you say....or the child will continue to test the parent's limits.

[Guest shilou]

Cats what is interesting to me about it all is I was a young mom, I didn't need a Dr. Phil to tell me how to disapline my children. I had the example of my parents to go by. For generations people were surviving and raising kids without talk shows or self help books to guide them. There was christian values and Gods word and that's all. Now we have experts on everything under the sun to tell us how to live, find happiness, dicipline our children, keep our marriage happy, grieve, etc. I keep telling others all the answers you will ever need are contained in one book but the thing is people are not looking for real answers they are looking for what they want to hear. Can you imagine the multitude of opinions and responses this same subject would get if it were on a regular web site.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[OneAccord]

Can you imagine the multitude of opinions and responses this same subject would get if it were on a regular web site.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

Agreed Shilou:

That's a great example of the difference between RELATIVISM and ABSOLUTISM. RELATIVISM is when each person has their own truth, their own perspective, that they view the world from and operate out of. In a lot of new age circles you essentially create your own religion, piecing together what you like from different world religions and psychologies.

ABSOLUTISM is when you aknowledge only one truth, it is outside yourself, and it is absolute, sovereign and authoritative, which is what Christianity operates out of (for the most part, though there seems to be a lot of relativism within the Christian realms)

Childrearing has become a casuality of relativists, people kind of make up their own parenting styles and pick what sounds good from the psych industry. Out-of-control kids are the norm, nowadays. I have a 3yo daughter so I am around lots of kids at the park, visiting friends with kids her age, etc.

I practice a Bible-based training and discipline with her and it works really well. Sometimes we have to do a little tune-up but for the most part she is incredibly well-behaved, happy and a joy to be around.

Then we get around all these other people's kids, and she gets exposed to all kinds of outrageous behavior. We know maybe one or two other kids that are well-behaved out of dozens that have no self-restraint.

Satan has a huge stronghold in this area of our lives, and it is very significant and huge, and will impact the future generations to come.

[OneAccord]

Here's a segment on ritalin with some quotes from Hiary Clinton's book "It takes a village":

WHAT

[Catsmeow]

Actually, Dr. Phil gives very good advice. Truth is truth. I sense he's not a Christian but his advice for common problems parallel some biblical principals.

Sadly, most parents today are probably not Christian and hence lack a wealth of information the Bible gives.

I don't believe Dr. Phil suggests spanking but he does insist on parents being firm and decisive.

Also, society has changed and made it difficult to discipline children.

I was once at a mall and took our son into the ladies room and spanked him on the bum. Someone reported me to mall security. Nothing came of it...it was a spanking on the behind in the rest room. But in this society, any discipline is frowned upon.

Today if you sent your son to sit in the car, someone would turn you in for neglect or abuse. Everything's changed. Now you have to be highly cautious or someone will report you to authorities for anything they perceive as abuse.

We're creating a whole society of little monsters.

When I was kid, teachers spanked kids. Today you'd lose your license.

[Guest daughterofaking]

Unfortunately I don't have any kids but I firmly believe kids need disciplining and that sometimes means spanking. I've no time for the do-gooders who think children should never be spanked! I deplore child abuse but there's a difference between smacking a child lightly on the bottom or hand and "beating" them even if the liberals can't see it! Also, as I've seen with a close friend's kids, if you don't chastise them when they are little it's too late to start when they are older. By then they will be out of control. What bothers me is that the "no spanking" brigade have got increasingly powerful in the UK (my country) and indeed the world. I read once that the United Nations criticised Britain for not outlawing spanking as some countries have such as Sweden. It's probably only a matter of time before the UN brings in an international law outlawing spanking and parents who spank their kids are arrested and put in jail!