JAG** Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Scene: Science Has Spoken So Shut Your Mouth By JAG October 23, 2021 Scene: A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political activist Secular Humanist scientists gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and plot. John Citizen Goode, sitting nearby sipping soda and listening to the ongoing conversation, leans over and says to his friend: "We're hearing slick Sammy Science's subtle sham shell game being propagated here. Somebody ought to write a book entitled How Slick Sammy Science Slithers Hither And Thither To Push on The Public His Personal Political Plans By Craftily Claiming He Has Science On His Side." The conversations in the cafe drones on and on . . . . . "I don't agree with your conclusions on this issue", suddenly said John Citizen Goode. "Shut your mouth. we have the Science on our side and you don't", screamed Professor Samuel Slicke Hitla, "you will therefore bow down to our authority." "I totally agree with that", upspoke Professor Badd Bobby Brainy Himla, "the ends justify the means, and we're out to save humanity from themselves." "Yes indeed", replied Professor Madd Muse A. Leanie, "we must save humanity with laws enforced by police with guns." "Count me in on that too,", muttered Professor A. Stealthy Staalinn, "the masses are science-ignorant fools, especially religious people, and they must be controlled by force of law." John Citizen Goode turns and says to his friend: "If you dare oppose these science-tyrants and their science-bigotry, they will create an evil name for you. They'll label you a Science Denier and then use that to do their best to destroy you, to ruin your reputation, to destroy your influence, even to get you fired from your job if they can. When you stop and think about it, we have Science Nazis on our trail and they want to hurt and destroy us because we dare to oppose THEM. John Citizen Goode, still taking to his friend, concludes the scene . . . . . "All evil dictators who desire to be your Lord and Master, claim to have Science on their side. Their message to you is, we know the truth and you don't, so we need to control you because we know so much more than you do ~ and its in your long term best interest if you obey us for we have the Science on our side and you don't. Adolph Hitler was able to recruit more followers among educated Germans by claiming that Science was on his side. Hitler had highly educated scientists with earned degrees from reputable universities telling the world that Hitler had the Science on his side. And enough of the world's gullible bowed down to Hitler's scientists and to his other We-Have-The-Truth-And-You-Don't-Experts ~ resulting in the world giving birth to hideous Nazism and Nazism giving birth to the evil racist filthy Nazi Eugenics murder machine. John Cornwell wrote a book on that entitled Hitler's Scientists." [] Thoughts? Edited October 23, 2021 by JAG** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2021 There are all kind of choices out there. Which choice are you going to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2021 If this is you assumption with respect to all sciences and all scientists, then you really need to meet some more. I don't want to assume, but it feels like you are building a big strawman to attack certain things you don't like about science and the philosophy some of the more rabid new atheists promote. Ignore those. Most of your rank and file scientists are not those people. Yes, science has been invoked for terrible purposes. So has religion. So has nationalism, etc. etc. Nazism was a whole system that played on all these elements. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES true science too, for example Math , , , My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other disciplines also originated in the nature of God. God Is The , , , , Original Mathematician Original Physicist Original Cosmologist Original Inventor Original Artist Original Scientist Original Oceanographer Original Philosopher Original Epistemologist Original Empiricist Original Poet Original Writer Original Lover {wanting the best for others} Original Chooser { Volition } Original Economist Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions} Original Planner Original Creator Original Designer Original Technologist Original Educator Original Everything Good , , , , , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are made in the image of God , , , , , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God, have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity. Humans are made in the image of God and God has , , ~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans ~ Emotions --- and so do we humans ~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans God's Human Race Project ends victoriously. Long live science. True science. JAG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, teddyv said: If this is you assumption with respect to all sciences and all scientists, then you really need to meet some more. I don't want to assume, but it feels like you are building a big strawman to attack certain things you don't like about science and the philosophy some of the more rabid new atheists promote. Ignore those. Most of your rank and file scientists are not those people. Yes, science has been invoked for terrible purposes. So has religion. So has nationalism, etc. etc. Nazism was a whole system that played on all these elements. Thanks for your interest in the OP, however you did not read the OP carefully. My OP is only about these people: "Scene: A high brow cafe near the University of California at Berkeley where political activist Secular Humanist scientists gather to pontificate, preach, plan, and plot."__From the opening line of the OP Best JAG `` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 12:58 PM, missmuffet said: There are all kind of choices out there. Which choice are you going to make? I choose chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream. Best Regards. JAG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, JAG** said: I choose chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream. Best Regards. JAG And your Christian choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, missmuffet said: And your Christian choices? I am a Bible believing traditional orthodox Evangelical born again (John 3:3) Christian. My favorite Bible verse is John 3:16. Best Regards. JAG `` 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted October 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, JAG** said: I choose chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream. Best Regards. JAG Black Walnut goes better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, other one said: Black Walnut goes better... Black Walnut is good. Try some Breyers Coffee flavored ice cream. I gave it a shot the other day, and it turned out to be very tasty (if you like coffee flavor). Best JAG `` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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