The problem with Homosexuality

[Riverwalker]

There are many sins that will keep you from heaven, if you insist on embracing  and practicing them - homosexuality and sexual perversion is among them

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

But we must always separate the sinner from the sin.   Yes the sin can be condemned and should be....but not the sinner,. this is not God's purpose.   God's purpose is to save people, to tell them good news....for them to fully appreciate the good news, they have to comprehend the bad news

The truth contains both. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun.

Not everyone will repent, but everyone who desires it must know that God is willing able and ready to save them today

The desires will not go away in one day (without a miracle) it took a long time to plant them deep and it will take time and care to root them out, but the desires is not the sin, its what you do with them that determines sin....do you resist them, deny them or entertain and act on them

Love the sinner and accept them, but do not affirm the lifestyle lest the Deceive themselves 

For the goal God has in mind for each sinner is 

1 Corinthians 5:. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [d]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

never condemn the sinner, never comprise the truth and justify the sin

Edited October 25, 2021 by Riverwalker

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13 minutes ago, Josheb said:

So that's what's problematic with homosexuality, is it? 

It’s many problems with homosexuality But I’m narrowing it down to 1) trying to convince people it’s okay 2) sending us on a guilt trip because we are sinners too.

[Marathoner]

We'll note the issues I raised regarding the OP: be concise, and be wary of judging blindly. 

Concise: when addressing the sin of homosexuality, address the sin; when addressing sinful man, address sinful man. Conflating the two (or admixing them) muddies the waters. 

Judging blindly: Declaring that mankind engaged in the sin of homosexuality never repents of their sins, as we find written in the OP, is false. There is more than one brother or sister in Christ who engaged in this lust before our Father drew them to His Son, proof that judgment is false. 

Be concise. If you are addressing the world of sinful man, then make that abundantly clear. As for those who teach men burning with lust for other men (or women  burning with lust for other women), declaring this normative or acceptable? Of course this is error. Those who teach others to stumble are judged. 

 

[Abrielle]

29 minutes ago, Josheb said:

lol! So that's what's problematic with homosexuality, is it? 

 

I'm laughing because there is A LOT that's problematic with homosexuality, not just its contradiction with God's word.

As you know —because It must have taken you a second to choose those three lines of my comment to fit your intentions— i wasn't answering to the problematic of homossexuality, i was commenting on the idea that being homosexual is a huge burden.

I myself know nothing. If i know homossexuality is wrong, it's because i hear and read God's word. Why are you laughing then? Why is that so funny? I just want to understand... why? Why is that so funny. Do you have a biblical verse to substantiate the comical aspect of what made you laugh? (I'm just being playful with you, please don't be upset.)

[Marathoner]

19 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

It’s many problems with homosexuality But I’m narrowing it down to 1) trying to convince people it’s okay 2) sending us on a guilt trip because we are sinners too.

You didn't direct this comment toward me but in the interest of clearing up any misunderstanding, I thought I would respond. 

Sinful man engages in all manner of evils, my friend. The scriptures have much to say about this fact. Are we shocked or surprised that this world embraces evil of all kinds? That the nations of sinful man underwrite murder, theft, sorcery, libel, slander, perversity, and abomination? We shouldn't be because this has been true for a very, very long time. It is not unique to this day and age. Remember Romans 3:9-18... not an exhaustive list by any means. 

As for guilt? All men and women are guilty of sin. Those who trespass the least commandment are guilty of trespassing them all (James 2:10). So from this perspective, the liar is indeed no different from a man who burns with lust for other men. 

If we forget the mercy of the Lord toward us, then we engage in partiality as the apostle James warns us not to do (the 2nd chapter of James). We cannot look at our neighbor and say, "I am better than they are." Hopefully that explains where I was coming from in my response to your OP. 

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

lol! So that's what's problematic with homosexuality, is it? 

 

I'm laughing because there is A LOT that's problematic with homosexuality, not just its contradiction with God's word. From the very beginning humanity was told to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth and the inherent context of that first blessing/command was the creation of humanity in God's image male and female. The secularist don't accept the Bible (or any theistic document) as authoritative but w don't need the Bible to point out the problems in homosexuality. These "other" problems are thoroughly biblical but we can use their own ideology(-ies) to show the problems. First, homosexuality does not further the species biologically at all. It is impossible for two (or more) homosexuals to procreate using homosexual practices. Second, teleologically the human's design is heterosexual. The penis is designed or evolved for a vagina and the vagina for a penis. All the primary and secondary sex characteristics follow suit. It is only if/when we/they appeal to a  sociological explanation and not a biological one that there is even the remotest of possible evolutionary explanation for homosexuality. Given the main agreed upon mechanisms for evolution (natural processes of procreation [random or non-random], natural selection, migration, mutation, and genetic drift) only mutation can explain the existence of homosexuality's origin. Unless there is a gene existing for homosexuality's it will not reproduce itself using homosexual practices. One must presuppose its inherent existence if mutation is to be avoided and there is absolutely no evidence such an inherent condition ever existed. 

 

Try telling a person who's homosexual their condition is a mutation and see what happens. 

Because it's not going to be much different than telling them the condition is due to sin (which is a mutation ). 

 

If they're intellectually honest they'll concede the point because Darwinian biological evolution does NOT explain the existence of homosexuality unless it is either a mutation or a sociological (not a biological) impetus. That's a huge problem. It's a problem that reconciles wholly with scripture. For anyone interested in learning more about this from a Christian perspective I highly recommend two books by Nancy Pearcey: "Total Truth," and "Love They Body." both are excellent and informative reads. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*And for the record: The Bible doesn't not generally use the word "homosexual." It more often speaks of two members of the same sex having sex with each other. This is important because modern homosexuality is an identity, not merely a behavior. There is a distinction between "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex sex" and homosexuality in the secular arena. Statistically speaking many people have same-sex sex but do not self-identify as homosexual (or bisexual or pansexual). The Bible does not make such discriminations.

Well said. We share elements of educational background in common (I studied the four fields of North American anthropology in college) and I'm aware of the fruitless search for the so-called "homosexual gene." Doesn't exist.

A mutation of an existing gene or sequence of genetic code? Negative. 

A psycho-social/cultural convention imposed and accordingly enforced by sinful man? Ding ding ding! 

Homosexuality is therefore an identity? Yes indeed. 

Thanks for weighing in, brother. 

[Starise]

There seems to be a trend where when someone brings this up it has to be combined and compared with all other sin. One one level this is true. On another level sexual sins are often singled out in the bible which calls this particular sin an abomination. This is not comparable to stealing or lying on that level. I don't think we can say they are equal on that plane.

Certainly I am no better than another because I do or do not commit this sin. So long as we stay at this level of discussion which follows a common line of reasoning here which is-

Yes it's a sin> why are we focusing on it?> there are many other sins that are also sin>we should love the sinner and minimize the sin taking preeminence over a serious discussion on the matter. This all amounts to a circular jerkular that takes us back to square one.

In order to look at this sin we need to see why it was one of the flags to judgment God placed on Sodom and Gomorrah. Why didn't we read about the other sins in this city to such a degree? Is this sin a litmus to final judgement? Why is this sin at the forefront of our society at this time and why are we Christians supposed to all fall in line with it? Why is this sin called an abomination and a sin which destroys both the body and the soul?

I think there are some distinctions that when we attempt to combine and minimize we miss crucial differences about what it says. The statement it makes about a soul who is willingly and even pridefully engaged in it. I don't believe God is particularly fond of abominations as His words states.

Edited October 25, 2021 by Starise

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59 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Judging blindly: Declaring that mankind engaged in the sin of homosexuality never repents of their sins,

I spoke oh Gay pride. The movement and the thousands of people in it see no need to repent.  Some may come out of it but that movement will still be here. 

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51 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Can we add the lack of knowledge and understanding on our part? Heavy handed judgment that hypocritically ignores our own sinfulness and the elevates homosexuality above all other sins due to a lack of sufficiently understanding God's word is a huge problem.

No. Does my OP ignore my own sin? No it doesn’t in fact it says I am wrong when I sin and the pride of homosexuality sees no wrong and wants to teach others to do the same.

 

Why do I feel slightly attacked on a Christian forum for saying homosexuality is wrong ?

Did I not end my post saying if homosexuals change they can be saved?

Did I not say I myself gave up sex to not be a fornicator? This is what gives me the right to say what I said. I practice what I preach.

[Hopefully]

It’s really sad to have people in Christ come against u for stating the truth about homosexuality. Whatever you say to make me wrong shows homosexuals they are okay. 
 

God will judge everything we say and I’m okay with being judged by God for this post. He kn heart and everyone else’s.