The Great Tribulation Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Sealed Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

[JoeCanada]

15 hours ago, The Light said:

The trumpets run concurrently with the bowls.

Hi Light,

I have heard that the seals, trumpets and bowls run concurrently or consecutively.... but this is the first time that I have run into someone where the seals are on their own, then the trumpets and bowls open concurrently. 

I can't see that at all. The trumpets and bowls are consecutive, that I see. 

Here they are:

1 trump... hail and fire, mixed with blood...1/3 of the earth burned up, and a 1/3 of the trees and a 1/3 of the green grass

1 bowl... a loathsome and malignant sore on those who worshipped the beast

( with the trump, nothing about this affecting earth dwellers, only the vegetation, but the bowl affects the earth dwellers with sores)

2 trump... something like a great mtn burning with fire was thrown into the sea...1/3 of the sea became blood, 1/3 of the sea creatures died, 1/3 of the ships destroyed

2 bowl.... poured his bowl into the sea... every living thing died

( everything in the sea died  in the bowls, yet only 1/3 of them died with the trumpets)

 

3 trumpet....a great star, burning like a torch, fell on a 1/3 of the rivers and springs.....made bitter

3 bowl....  poured his bowl into the rivers and springs...they became blood

( the trumpets made the waters bitter, yet the bowls turned them to blood)

4 trumpet.... 1/3 sun, moon and stars struck.... 1/3 day not shine and the night the same

4 bowl.... poured out on the sun, scorched men with fire, fierce heat

( the sun doesn't shine for 1/3 of the day in the trumpets, yet it scorched men with fire and fierce heat)

5 trumpet... star from heaven... key to bottomless pit, scorpion like stings for 5 months, men unable to die

5 bowl....poured bowl on kingdom of beast, became dark. great pain and sores

(scorpions sting and men unable to die with the trumpet, yet the bowl caused great pain and sores)

6 trumpet.... release 4 angels, kill 1/3 mankind with 200 million horsemen with fire, smoke and brimstone

6 bowl... river Euphrates dried up for kings of the east

( trumpet - kill 1/3 mankind that's left with 200 million with fire brimstone and smoke)

7 trumpet.... kingdom of this world has become kingdom of Christ, temple in heaven opened, flashes of lightening, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm

7 bowl... it is done... flashes of lightening, sounds and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had not been since man on earth, great city split into 3 parts, 100 lb hailstones

( here, we see the inauguration of Christ and the transfer of the Kingdom, lightening, thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm;  but with the 7th  bowl, "it is done"....the greatest earthquake ever, islands gone and mtns flattened, and 100 lb hailstones.

So, as we see, the progression is more severe with each trumpet blown....and then it is even more severe with each bowl. The bowls are shallow and are poured out in rapid succession. These 7 bowls might be poured out during the 10 days of Awe. 

And these "10 days of Awe" are in keeping with what Jesus says about "In the days of Noah". Noah and crew were in the Ark for one year and 10 days exactly. Jesus says in Isaiah that the Day of the Lord will be a year long....three times. Isa 34:8, 61:2 and 63:4.................

But.....  who really knows?

 

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

where in Revelation, chapter and verses, do you see the rapture of the Church happening?

I have answered your question directly several times

Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture

If you believe a pre-trib rapture is seen in Revelation, feel free to post your claims, waiting?

Edited January 3, 2022 by truth7t7

[The Light]

Mmmm.

Edited January 3, 2022 by The Light

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Light,

I have heard that the seals, trumpets and bowls run concurrently or consecutively.... but this is the first time that I have run into someone where the seals are on their own, then the trumpets and bowls open concurrently. 

I can't see that at all. The trumpets and bowls are consecutive, that I see. 

Here they are:

1 trump... hail and fire, mixed with blood...1/3 of the earth burned up, and a 1/3 of the trees and a 1/3 of the green grass

1 bowl... a loathsome and malignant sore on those who worshipped the beast

( with the trump, nothing about this affecting earth dwellers, only the vegetation, but the bowl affects the earth dwellers with sores)

2 trump... something like a great mtn burning with fire was thrown into the sea...1/3 of the sea became blood, 1/3 of the sea creatures died, 1/3 of the ships destroyed

2 bowl.... poured his bowl into the sea... every living thing died

( everything in the sea died  in the bowls, yet only 1/3 of them died with the trumpets)

 

3 trumpet....a great star, burning like a torch, fell on a 1/3 of the rivers and springs.....made bitter

3 bowl....  poured his bowl into the rivers and springs...they became blood

( the trumpets made the waters bitter, yet the bowls turned them to blood)

4 trumpet.... 1/3 sun, moon and stars struck.... 1/3 day not shine and the night the same

4 bowl.... poured out on the sun, scorched men with fire, fierce heat

( the sun doesn't shine for 1/3 of the day in the trumpets, yet it scorched men with fire and fierce heat)

5 trumpet... star from heaven... key to bottomless pit, scorpion like stings for 5 months, men unable to die

5 bowl....poured bowl on kingdom of beast, became dark. great pain and sores

(scorpions sting and men unable to die with the trumpet, yet the bowl caused great pain and sores)

6 trumpet.... release 4 angels, kill 1/3 mankind with 200 million horsemen with fire, smoke and brimstone

6 bowl... river Euphrates dried up for kings of the east

( trumpet - kill 1/3 mankind that's left with 200 million with fire brimstone and smoke)

7 trumpet.... kingdom of this world has become kingdom of Christ, temple in heaven opened, flashes of lightening, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm

7 bowl... it is done... flashes of lightening, sounds and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had not been since man on earth, great city split into 3 parts, 100 lb hailstones

( here, we see the inauguration of Christ and the transfer of the Kingdom, lightening, thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm;  but with the 7th  bowl, "it is done"....the greatest earthquake ever, islands gone and mtns flattened, and 100 lb hailstones.

So, as we see, the progression is more severe with each trumpet blown....and then it is even more severe with each bowl. The bowls are shallow and are poured out in rapid succession. These 7 bowls might be poured out during the 10 days of Awe. 

And these "10 days of Awe" are in keeping with what Jesus says about "In the days of Noah". Noah and crew were in the Ark for one year and 10 days exactly. Jesus says in Isaiah that the Day of the Lord will be a year long....three times. Isa 34:8, 61:2 and 63:4.................

But.....  who really knows?

 

Joe you dont see that the 7th vial and 7th trump are the same event in the (End)?

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:17KJV

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

[JoeCanada]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Joe you dont see that the 7th vial and 7th trump are the same event in the (End)?

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:17KJV

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

t7t7...

No, I do not. 

It is at the 7th bowl that "it is done".... this does not happen at the 7th trump.

What happens at the 7th trump?....:

"the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ"

"the temple in heaven was opened.... flashes of lightening and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm"

Compare this to the 7th bowl....:

"It is done"

"Flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder....and a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man was on the earth, the great city was split in 3 parts and the cities of the nations fell, and every island fled away and the mountains were not found....and huge hailstones 100 lbs each fell on men"

Not the same at all.  The 7th bowl's judgments/wrath are much more severe and intense. 

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

t7t7...

No, I do not. 

It is at the 7th bowl that "it is done".... this does not happen at the 7th trump.

What happens at the 7th trump?....:

"the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ"

"the temple in heaven was opened.... flashes of lightening and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm"

Compare this to the 7th bowl....:

"It is done"

"Flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder....and a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man was on the earth, the great city was split in 3 parts and the cities of the nations fell, and every island fled away and the mountains were not found....and huge hailstones 100 lbs each fell on men"

Not the same at all.  The 7th bowl's judgments/wrath are much more severe and intense. 

Joe Revelation 11:18 below shows the final judgement taking place (The End)?

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Edited January 4, 2022 by truth7t7

[The Light]

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

t7t7...

No, I do not. 

It is at the 7th bowl that "it is done".... this does not happen at the 7th trump.

What happens at the 7th trump?....:

"the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ"

"the temple in heaven was opened.... flashes of lightening and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm"

Compare this to the 7th bowl....:

"It is done"

"Flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder....and a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man was on the earth, the great city was split in 3 parts and the cities of the nations fell, and every island fled away and the mountains were not found....and huge hailstones 100 lbs each fell on men"

Not the same at all.  The 7th bowl's judgments/wrath are much more severe and intense. 

Joe. When the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord in Revelation 11 at the 7th trumpet, that means Christ his returned and set up his kingdom on earth. The wrath of God is OVER.

In Revelation 10 we are told that the mystery of God is finished when the 7th trumpet begins to blow.

Rev 10

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Haven't you noticed that the wrath of God is over in Rev 11 and then you go back to what takes place in the seals in Rev 13 and 14?

Don't you think it's odd that at the 6 trump 200,000,000 die, but the river is not dried up yet. It is dried up in the 6th bowl.

There is one vision with the trumpets and one vision with the bowls. It's like two different people reporting on one football game. You are going to get different details. One guys report about the first quarter my give great detail of the running breaking his leg. The next guy may just tell you there is an injury and talk about the cheerleaders. But it's still the 1st quarter of the same game. That's what is happening in the trumpets and bowls. Different details, same wrath of God.

[The Light]

7 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I have answered your question directly several times

Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture

If you believe a pre-trib rapture is seen in Revelation, feel free to post your claims, waiting?

Of course there is a pretrib rapture found in scripture. How is it that you can't find it.? Doesn't seem you are able to find any rapture, pretrib or otherwise.

[truth7t7]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

Joe. When the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord in Revelation 11 at the 7th trumpet, that means Christ his returned and set up his kingdom on earth. The wrath of God is OVER.

In Revelation 10 we are told that the mystery of God is finished when the 7th trumpet begins to blow.

Rev 10

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Haven't you noticed that the wrath of God is over in Rev 11 and then you go back to what takes place in the seals in Rev 13 and 14?

Don't you think it's odd that at the 6 trump 200,000,000 die, but the river is not dried up yet. It is dried up in the 6th bowl.

There is one vision with the trumpets and one vision with the bowls. It's like two different people reporting on one football game. You are going to get different details. One guys report about the first quarter my give great detail of the running breaking his leg. The next guy may just tell you there is an injury and talk about the cheerleaders. But it's still the 1st quarter of the same game. That's what is happening in the trumpets and bowls. Different details, same wrath of God.

You will closely note that the 7th Trump brings the "Final Judgement" as seen in verse 18 below (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

You will closely note that the 7th Trump brings the "Final Judgement" as seen in verse 18 below (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

I am aware of the that. I just didn't repost it because you already bolded it, and made the point in your previous post. So if you are aware that the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet, how is it that you are not aware that the Church is no longer on the earth before the 7 seals are even opened?