Alive Posted February 5, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.47 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted February 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, AdHoc said: Yeah brother! God's great Mind thought about every word he wrote. This can be no accident ... 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. (Ge 7:17) We would say that the Ark was lifted up above the WATERS. But God revealed something of the future - the escape of the next universal judgment! We have three grand types of the rapture. The Ark - the escape from universal judgment Abraham and Lot - the escape from Sodom's judgment by angels The Transfiguration - Elijah speaks for the living and raptured, Moses speaks for the dead who are resurrected and then raptured to meet Christ "on high". The rest must remain in the lowlands and are overcome by a demon (Matt.17) It is my conviction that as we read scripture, we find Christ everywhere. This is the wonder of what the record means for us and passed down faithfully by God--to reveal Himself in the face of Christ, who made all things and has been perpetually involved since the beginning. Christ has never not been present. I think, when we lay hold of this, much becomes clear---as God blesses. I want to repeat....Christ has never not been present and Lord and King. He is Lord and has always been LORD. The rational reason for all things...the WORD and He became flesh for our justification and our Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 6, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,066 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2022 51 minutes ago, Alive said: It is my conviction that as we read scripture, we find Christ everywhere. This is the wonder of what the record means for us and passed down faithfully by God--to reveal Himself in the face of Christ, who made all things and has been perpetually involved since the beginning. Christ has never not been present. I think, when we lay hold of this, much becomes clear---as God blesses. I want to repeat....Christ has never not been present and Lord and King. He is Lord and has always been LORD. The rational reason for all things...the WORD and He became flesh for our justification and our Life. Quite. The Lord Jesus is God, Creator, Sustainer and Redeemer of all. But from Adam to Joshua, Gentiles ruled the earth. Again, from Nebuchadnezzar to Christ's Second Coming, the Gentiles rule the earth. This is plainly said in the book of Daniel, and when the King (Jesus) came to earth He prayed that the KINGDOM would COME - indicating that heavenly rule was not yet established on earth. When Israel refused the Kingdom, our Lord Jesus retired to heaven to direct the building of His Church - the newly chosen rulers. He declares that His New People - the Church, should NOT RESIST GENTILE RULE. Thus, until Armageddon the King is King over His Church only (Rev.1:9). It is only at the end of the Tribulation that "the Kingdoms of this world HAVE BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord" (Rev.11:15). Our Lord, although He has all authority in heaven and on earth, does not yet exercise the rule of the rod of iron. He is not a King in exile, but very few of the earth's population abide by His rules. This changes when He has come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted February 6, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) Jesus Is The Lord Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 6, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,066 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Josheb said: The ark being lifted "above" the earth does not change the fact those who remained behind were the ones who lived on in a covenant relationship with God and those taken away were the ones who were destroyed. Lifted up, remaining behind afterwards, covenant relationship. Life on earth, not death. I haven't a clue what you are talking about. We were talking of the types of the rapture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted February 6, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.47 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, AdHoc said: I haven't a clue what you are talking about. We were talking of the types of the rapture. You will soon. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 7, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,066 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Josheb said: lol. Yep. Noah's ark was not a rapture and Jesus' comments about what happened in the days of Noah proves it. Jesus said those "taken away" by the flood were destroyed, not spared or saved. Even though the ark was lifted above the earth, its inhabitants remained on earth, returning to living on the earth, and doing so within a God-initiated covenant. There is absolutely no comparison between those facts of scripture and the kind of "rapture" asserted by two-kingdom's dispensational-style modern rapturists. Nothing. The days of Noah - Sexual offense, violence and general evil The last days of this age - Sexual offense, violence and unrighte0usness The days of Noah - universal judgment threatened within 120 years The last days of this age - Great Tribulation such as never was before over all the earth is threatened The days of Noah - a way out for eight people is planned. Eight is the number of resurrection The last days of this age - a way out is planned for those with resurrection life The escape of Noah - the Ark born up above the earth The escape of those found righteous and whose "generation" is perfect (rebirth) - above the earth by rapture A Type is a limited picture of another reality. Some scholars see it, some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 7, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,066 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2022 20 hours ago, Alive said: You will soon. lol Amen. It was Paul's prayer all those years ago in 1st Thessalonians 5:23. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The word "whole", mentioned twice, indicates an intact man - one who has not be separated in death, that is, alive. May the Lord come and we be gathered to Him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted February 7, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, AdHoc said: A Type is a limited picture of another reality. Some scholars see it, some don't. The limited picture dosen't see John N. Darby's pre-trib rapture, because it's not a reality found in scripture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted February 7, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AdHoc said: May the Lord come and we be gathered to Him. The event that will take place "immediately after the tribulation" at the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven Matthew 24:29-31KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Edited February 7, 2022 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted February 7, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,066 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: The limited picture dosen't see John N. Darby's pre-trib rapture, because it's not a reality found in scripture 12 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: The event that will take place "immediately after the tribulation" at the return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven Matthew 24:29-31KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Perhaps you could show us the Church scattered to the "four winds". I find that Israel was scattered to the four winds before the Church was even revealed (Jer.49:36, Ezek.37:9). You would be deceiving us, would you. After all, you can't be gathered from somewhere you never went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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