Jerusalem is Falling #2

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Jerusalem will soon be falling to Iran with the support of Russia and other nation who hate the children of Israel.

It seems that many are seeing this event beginning to happen, but have not understood the timelines about this event.

This imminent event is shown in the 2 witnesses, the 6/7th trumpet, the 6/7th vial, and the Rev 20 attack by the forces of Magog.

The confusion stems from,

1. The idea that all symbols in scripture are literal. That is, the belief that the symbols themselves are the subject and not what the symbols represent.

For example, the 2 witnesses are seen as 2 people instead of representing the people of Israel who hold the Law and the Prophets, Zech 4.

 

2. The distortion of the time lines to be exclusively future, instead of recognizing that some events have happened since the prophecies were made in the first century and earlier.

That is, the confusion about the prophecies concerning the 70 AD ish destruction of Jerusalem and the destruction of this present day restored to Israel Jerusalem for example.

 

3. The pretext that the Revelation is consecutive and not parallel.

The events shown in the Revelation, the seals/trumpets, the 2 witnesses, the 7 vials, and the events of Revelation are all "centered" on the 70 AD ish through 1967 time period. Each passage showing different viewpoints of the same  "general" time period pointing to the 1967 restoration of Jerusalem. 

The great question of the time period following the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem was, "Will Jerusalem be restored to the children of Israel and when"? The Revelation answers the questions, yes, Jerusalem will be restored, but after that event, it will be bitter news, Jerusalem will fall to the forces of Iran and Magog.

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People now are beginning to see the events leading up to the fall of this present Jerusalem, that is, the forces of Iran, Russia, and the Magog nations, building up to take Jerusalem, but have not quite understood how the prophecies describing this event fit together. 

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Soon after Jerusalem falls, human life on this planet will end, the final judgment will follow and eternity with Jesus will begin, Rev 20.

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[Alive]

17 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Jerusalem will soon be falling to Iran with the support of Russia and other nation who hate the children of Israel.

 

How soon?

[missmuffet]

Time will tell. God has a plan. 

[abcdef]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

How soon?

I don't know.

The Revelation does not give the number in the years of men. It shows the events that lead up to the fall of Jerusalem and the 2nd resurrection of salvation of Heb. 9:28.

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For example, it is shown in the 6th trumpet that the forces from across Euphrates River move (west) towards restored Jerusalem.

In the 4 angels of Rev 7:1  and 6th trumpet of Rev 9, the forces are pictured as "winds" (of destruction)(Rev 7:1) that blow across the Euphrates River towards Jerusalem. It should be considered that these military forces that are pictured as "winds" would grow stronger over time, increasing in military strength until they are released to begin crossing the Euphrates, which has already happened.

In our present time, the military forces of Iran blow with increasing force until they can be contained no longer and become strong enough to surround and take Jerusalem. 

Although Jerusalem has fallen many times in history, this example implies that the Jerusalem that these forces are headed towards is the restored to Israel Jerusalem.

The aftermath of these forces taking Jerusalem is the 7th trumpet which is the end of this earthly Jerusalem, the resur/rapt, the last judgment, and the revealing of the Ark of God in the heavenly temple in heaven (the face of Jesus in heaven, mystery revealed).

Understand that the context of the seals/trumpets is describing the unbelieving broken branches after 37 AD, their rejection of Jesus and the Pentecost gospel kingdom, and the withdrawing of the blessings of protection over them. They are restored to Jerusalem just as the believing branches (2 witnesses) are also.

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In the vials that show the enemies of Israel after 70 AD, the 6th vial shows the waters of the Euphrates River region, Iraq, drying up (the waters are people, Rev 17:15).

This "drying up" of the strength of the people in the Euphrates River region, allows the armies of Iran to cross the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem.

The diminishing of Iraq was accomplished during the American/Iraq war. Prior to the American/Iraq war, Iraq and Iran fought a 10 year war which ended in a stalemate. This shows how Iran could not attack Jerusalem until the military power of Iraq was "dried up".

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The deception of the 3 frog Satanic beast spirits is, just as it always has been, is that Israel is not God's people. 

This deception of the kings of the east and the nations of the world, Magog, is shown in the treaty between Iran and the Roman false Israel Vatican. The treaty allows Rome/Vatican to sustain it's presence in Jerusalem and Israel after Iran has taken the city.

The treaty is really an endorsement of the plans that Iran has to take Jerusalem, that is, the Vatican will not oppose the plans of Iran to destroy the people of Israel.

This is because the Vatican has a problem with the restoration of Jerusalem, which is, now there are 2 Israels, one being the nation and people of Israel and the other, the Vatican, claiming to be exclusively Israel. This is why Rome (Caesar) and the Vatican (The Bishop of Rome) have persecuted the children of Israel through the centuries, because Israel is God's people and they are not.

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So the events that happen just before the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial have already happened in our recent past, 25 years.

The events that happen next are the battle of Armageddon and the fall of restored Jerusalem.

After Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, the resur/rapt happens and the stone of the statue in Dan.2 strikes the statue of the gentile nations and human life on this planet ends.

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So to answer the Question of "when" the fall of Jerusalem will happen, is that it will happen after the battle of Armageddon between restored Jerusalem and Iran and its allies, Russia and the Magog nations of the world.

The "War of Armageddon" has Already begun, the final battle of Armageddon will soon take place.

After that, comes the resur/rapt and the end of human life on this planet.

People are beginning to realize that this is happening, they are just not believing that these prophecies are being fulfilled in front of them in their lifetimes.

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by abcdef

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, abcdef said:

I don't know.

The Revelation does not give the number in the years of men. It shows the events that lead up to the fall of Jerusalem and the 2nd resurrection of salvation of Heb. 9:28.

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For example, it is shown in the 6th trumpet that the forces from across Euphrates River move (west) towards restored Jerusalem.

In the 4 angels of Rev 7:1  and 6th trumpet of Rev 9, the forces are pictured as "winds" (of destruction)(Rev 7:1) that blow across the Euphrates River towards Jerusalem. It should be considered that these military forces that are pictured as "winds" would grow stronger over time, increasing in military strength until they are released to begin crossing the Euphrates, which has already happened.

In our present time, the military forces of Iran blow with increasing force until they can be contained no longer and become strong enough to surround and take Jerusalem. 

Although Jerusalem has fallen many times in history, this example implies that the Jerusalem that these forces are headed towards is the restored to Israel Jerusalem.

The aftermath of these forces taking Jerusalem is the 7th trumpet which is the end of this earthly Jerusalem, the resur/rapt, the last judgment, and the revealing of the Ark of God in the heavenly temple in heaven (the face of Jesus in heaven, mystery revealed).

Understand that the context of the seals/trumpets is describing the unbelieving broken branches after 37 AD rejection of Jesus, the Pentecost gospel kingdom, and the withdrawing of the blessings of protection over them. They are restored to Jerusalem just as the believing branches (2 witnesses) are also.

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In the vials that show the enemies of Israel after 70 AD, the 6th vial shows the waters of the Euphrates River region, Iraq, drying up (the waters are people, Rev 17:15).

This "drying up" of the strength of the people in the Euphrates River region, allows the armies of Iran to cross the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem.

The diminishing of Iraq was accomplished during the American/Iraq war. Prior to the American/Iraq war, Iraq and Iran fought a 10 year war which ended in a stalemate. This shows how Iran could not attack Jerusalem until the military power of Iraq was "dried up".

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The deception of the 3 frog Satanic beast spirits is, just as it always has been, is that Israel is not God's people. 

This deception of the kings of the east and the nations of the world, Magog, is shown in the treaty between Iran and the Roman false Israel Vatican. The treaty allows Rome/Vatican to sustain it's presence in Jerusalem and Israel after Iran has taken the city.

The treaty is really an endorsement of the plans that Iran has to take Jerusalem, that is, the Vatican will not oppose the plans of Iran to destroy the people of Israel.

This is because the Vatican has a problem with the restoration of Jerusalem, which is, now there are 2 Israels, one being the nation and people of Israel and the other, the Vatican, claiming to be exclusively Israel. This is why Rome (Caesar) and the Vatican (The Bishop of Rome) have persecuted the children of Israel through the centuries, because Israel is God's people and they are not.

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So the events that happen just before the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial have already happened in our recent past, 25 years.

The events that happen next are the battle of Armageddon and the fall of restored Jerusalem.

After Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, the resur/rapt happens and the stone of the statue in Dan.2 strikes the statue of the gentile nations and human life on this planet ends.

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So to answer the Question of "when" the fall of Jerusalem will happen, is that it will happen after the battle of Armageddon between restored Jerusalem and Iran and its allies, Russia and the Magog nations of the world.

The "War of Armageddon" has Already begun, the final battle of Armageddon will soon take place.

After that, comes the resur/rapt and the end of human life on this planet.

People are beginning to realize that this is happening, they are just not believing that these prophecies are being fulfilled in front of them in their lifetimes.

 

 

 

I asked because you said 'soon'.

[abcdef]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

I asked because you said 'soon'.

Well, "soon" is a relative time.

"Soon" to the Apostles in the time of Jesus, describing the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem, was only about 35 or 15 years ish.

"Soon" in the context of creation and eternity could be significantly longer. In this context, the time between the beginning of the Pentecost gospel kingdom and the end of human life on this planet could be 1900 years, soon or a short time to the eternal God.

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You are really asking, "How soon before this Jerusalem falls"?

As I said, I don't know in the years of men.

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My opinion is that the support that Israel has now coming from the USA and others will be diminished to the point where the defense of Israel can no longer be sustained, when will that be? It is happening now.

Israel is small in land mass and population. It is half the size of the Netherlands, half the size of Belgium. It only took the Nazis 2 weeks to take the Netherlands. How long will it take for Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Russia to consume Israel, half the size of the Netherlands?

When the end comes, it will come quickly.

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The 6th trumpet shows that Israel/Jerusalem falls to a "200 mill" army.

As in the Korean war, China overwhelmed opposing forces by the shear numbers of troops. This is the same picture that now faces Israel.

Iran has already said that they don't need nuclear bombs to take Jerusalem, this implies that Jerusalem will be taken by the shear numbers of the troops opposing them, just as the 6th trumpet implies.

200 million. When you count armies, you don't just count the number of troops on the front lines, you also count the supporting troops, truck drivers, mechanics, cooks, etc.. In the case of the 200 mill., it is counting all the supporters of the front line troops, from every nations that supports the elimination of Israel. The 200 mill figure is easily reached just from counting the Islamic nations opposed to Israel.

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[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

Jerusalem will soon be falling to Iran with the support of Russia and other nation who hate the children of Israel. ...

Soon after Jerusalem falls, human life on this planet will end, the final judgment will follow and eternity with Jesus will begin, Rev 20.

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Nope, to both theories. A lot of things left to occur before the Ezek. 38-39 war, which comes last in the sequence of End Time events; not first, as too many believe.

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, abcdef said:

For example, the 2 witnesses are seen as 2 people instead of representing the people of Israel who hold the Law and the Prophets, Zech 4.

 

2. The distortion of the time lines to be exclusively future, instead of recognizing that some events have happened since the prophecies were made in the first century and earlier.

That is, the confusion about the prophecies concerning the 70 AD ish destruction of Jerusalem and the destruction of this present day restored to Israel Jerusalem for example.

 

3. The pretext that the Revelation is consecutive and not parallel.

The events shown in the Revelation, the seals/trumpets, the 2 witnesses, the 7 vials, and the events of Revelation are all "centered" on the 70 AD ish through 1967 time period. Each passage showing different viewpoints of the same  "general" time period pointing to the 1967 restoration of Jerusalem. 

The great question of the time period following the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem was, "Will Jerusalem be restored to the children of Israel and when"? The Revelation answers the questions, yes, Jerusalem will be restored, but after that event, it will be bitter news, Jerusalem will fall to the forces of Iran and Magog.

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People now are beginning to see the events leading up to the fall of this present Jerusalem, that is, the forces of Iran, Russia, and the Magog nations, building up to take Jerusalem, but have not quite understood how the prophecies describing this event fit together. 

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Soon after Jerusalem falls, human life on this planet will end, the final judgment will follow and eternity with Jesus will begin, Rev 20.

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The Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11 will be future prophets returned, they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, a remake of what was seen with Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt 

They will be killed, lay in a literal street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration of their physical death

Revelation 11:3-10KJV

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Nope, to both theories. A lot of things left to occur before the Ezek. 38-39 war, which comes last in the sequence of End Time events; not first, as too many believe.

The war seen in Ezekiel 39 below is historical, fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare, Shields, Bows, Arrows, and Spears

Ezekiel 39:9KJV

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Edited February 8, 2022 by truth7t7

[abcdef]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nope, to both theories. A lot of things left to occur before the Ezek. 38-39 war

First, some will say,"Prove that the war already took place".

Others will say, "Prove that war didn't take place".

Both theories seem to have no historical evidence that proves either way, so far.

We do know that many of the kings, nations, and events mentioned in the Bible were not proven to exist until recent historical evidence has proven that they did exist. So we have faith that these events have or will take place. 

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The writings of Ezekiel are placed in the early in the Babylonian captivity. So we know that the events that are spoken of take place after that.

It could be that the events in 38-39 are after the captivity had ended and Israel had returned to the land, living in a peace that followed the return.

The word translated as "latter" just means "later", as the time after Ezek and the Babylonian captivity. Many assume that just because the word is translated as "latter" it is automatically referring to a time at the end of the world, but it just means later after the time of Babylon.

 

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

, which comes last in the sequence of End Time events; not first, as too many believe.

The confusion comes because both the Ezek 38-39 and Rev 20 battles mention Magog. This does not prove that they are the same war.

The mention of the primitive weapons used in the 38-39 seems to indicate that the Ezek war is history. The people who wish to make the Ezek war future, have said, "The weapons are symbolic", or "After the mill period, they have forgotten how to make guns and bombs", not a likely scenario.

Trying to place the 2 events together leads to conflict between the passages. For example, the armies of Ezek are shown on the mountains, where the armies of Rev are show as being on the broad plains.

The armies of Rev 20 surround Jerusalem, but the Ezek armies are destroyed before they get there.

Although there are similarities, the differences between the passages are ignored. 

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The Rev 20 war is about to take place.

The details surrounding the events of Rev 20 have been distorted by some who misunderstand the timelines.

1. The first distortion surrounds the resurrections. Paul indicates in 1 Cor 15:23-24, that there are only 2 resurrections, Jesus and the coming for those who are his, after that death is destroyed. 

This parallels the first and second resurrections of Rev 20. There can only be one first resurrection, that is Jesus as the first fruits.

Then the second resurrection, after which death is destroyed, which also happens only once.

The attempt to make the first resurrection of Rev 20 a future event, actually would make it the 3rd resurrection at least and the 2nd resurrection of Rev 20 the 4th resurrection. (Some pretrib theories have as many as 7 resurrections which contradict 1 Cor 15:23-24. This comes from reading the Rev as a continual time line instead of parallel timelines.)

2. The second distortion comes from believing that the mill period is a time of complete peace for the planet. The mill period is showing the time of the new covenant Pentecost kingdom. The peace is between God and the members of the Pentecost kingdom between the 2 resurrections. The rule of the resurrected saints is over the Pentecost kingdom and not the planet.

Satan is bound in that he cannot destroy the children of Israel until they leave the gentile nations and return to restore Jerusalem.

This parallels Rev 12 where the woman Israel, flees into the gentile nations until her time is over, then she returns to her home to restore Jerusalem. The beast nation sends a flood of people after her, but he is "bound" by the limits of his influence in the gentile nations. 

3. The third distortion is that everything is literal, which ignores the symbolism of some entities.

Satan is real, but the chain that binds him is symbolic and not a literal chain. 

The 1,000 year reign is real, but is not a literal 1000 years. It is symbolic of the time between the 2 resurrections, the time of the Pentecost kingdom of Israel on earth. Understand that is has been far longer than 1000 years since the 1st resurrection when Jesus was resurrected and the beginnings of the Pentecost kingdom of Israel.

Rev 20:7, Satan is released from his prison, but it is not a literal material prison, it is a restriction on his abilities to deceive the gentile nations.

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When you say that the Rev 20 Magog war is at the end, I agree.

But the Ezek 38-39 war is history.

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