JAG** Posted March 21, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 23 hours ago, Josheb said: Amen. If I may add to the list, so too is Allan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" and Francis Schaeffer's trilogy. The former looks at the drift in academia and the latter is a survey of art, history, and philosophy presuppositional drifts from a conservative Christian pov. Here is another quote from Buchanan that I wanted to put in this thread. "Americans who look upon this cultural revolution as politics-as-usual do not understand it. It means to make an end of the country we love. It cannot be appeased. Its relentless, reckless use of terms like extremist, sexist, racist, homophobe, nativist, xenophobe, fascist, and Nazi testifies to how seriously it takes the struggle and how it views those who resist. For the true believers in the revolution the Right is not just wrong, the Right is evil."__Patrick J. Buchanan, The Death Of The West, page 215 Observation: The list of SINS and EVIL that the Donk Party supports either directly or indirectly is HUGE-ENORMOUS and growing. Fact. JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted March 21, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,264 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2022 You don't have to go far to see the Left being called evil by the Right anymore. In fact, you just did. So where does that leave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted March 21, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Here is another quote from Buchanan I wanted to put into this thread: "A new generation has grown up for whom the cultural revolution is not a revolution at all, but the culture they were born into and have known all their lives. Public homosexuality, pornography, abortion, trash talk on TV and in movies, and filthy lyrics in popular music have all been around since before they can remember. No big deal. Many have come to accept the axioms of modernity about how wicked the old America was It is the traditional culture they find odd. They have passed through the schools and universities, consumed the fare, and come to believe what they were taught about the country's old heroes and history. 'We will steal your children', the sixties radicals howled at Middle America. They did." __Patrick J. Buchanan, The Death Of The West, page 214 JAG Edited March 21, 2022 by JAG** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted March 21, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,264 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2022 Have not read Buchanan's book, but reviews make it seem a bit troubling in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,137 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,089 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, teddyv said: Have not read Buchanan's book, but reviews make it seem a bit troubling in places. I wouldn't characterize support of Pat Buchanan as a requirement for a conservative (some might disagree, of course). That aside, we ought to endeavor to increase our sample size and look at a bigger picture. In this bigger picture, we find encouraging evidence that all is not lost. For example, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a case where a man is suing a Christian ministry's legal assistance organization for refusing to hire him on the basis that he identifies as a "bisexual." Why is this encouraging? The Court's refusal is not tacit approval of this man's case by any means. Two justices opined that it would be better to wait for the outcome of this lawsuit in a lower court before the Supreme Court considers the matter. Given the Supreme Court's recent track record in defending the interest of ministries --- as well as religious beliefs of private persons --- this is positive news, indeed. The case in Arizona regarding the alteration of birth certificates to agree with the "Emperor's New Clothes" (my shorthand for the insane trans/LGBTQ nonsense) is also encouraging. We are born either male or female and no measure of surgical butchery or immoral insanity should be legally empowered nor encouraged. Is it sad that it is necessary to take legal action against the frivolous lawsuits of the radical left? Of course. I would say that if anyone wishes to alter the sex recorded on their birth certificate after the fact, then their genome should be sampled and examined in order to establish the veracity of what's recorded on that birth certificate. "But a surgeon butchered me!" is not a sufficient basis. "But I'm taking hormone supplements!" is hogwash. "But I identify as a unicorn!" is perfectly loony. Let's see what your DNA reveals, yes? Yes. If the law were upheld faithfully, the filers of frivolous lawsuits would be ordered by the court to cover all legal costs involved in the debacle they engineered. Edited March 22, 2022 by Marathoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heleadethme Posted March 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,268 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2022 It seems to be the awful tendency of human nature that when times are good we tend to forget God, and then He brings judgments or chastisements to try and bring us back to Him again: Hos 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. I really believe overall that is what has happened in the west. Good to read that whole chapter. (The last verse reminds me of abortion. We see it as a sin, which it is, but perhaps it's also a judgment in itself in a way, which brings more judgment.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted March 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Marathoner said: We are born either male or female and no measure of surgical butchery or immoral insanity should be legally empowered nor encouraged. The reality of sexual characteristics is more nuanced than this. There are two extremes that I believe are equally wrong. On one hand the "I identify with XXX gender" regardless of biology is one extreme. However, it is also conclusively wrong to say that all people are biologically either male or female. Both anatomy and genetics confirm this. God did not limit his human creation to only two varieties. Pretending these intersex individuals do not exist does significant harm to those individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,137 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,089 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, one.opinion said: The reality of sexual characteristics is more nuanced than this. There are two extremes that I believe are equally wrong. On one hand the "I identify with XXX gender" regardless of biology is one extreme. However, it is also conclusively wrong to say that all people are biologically either male or female. Both anatomy and genetics confirm this. God did not limit his human creation to only two varieties. Pretending these intersex individuals do not exist does significant harm to those individuals. It seems that my statement regarding the examination of DNA was lost somewhere. The reality underwriting phenotypical expression of secondary sexual characteristics is indeed nuanced, which is why the genome of a person reveals if that individual is male or female. You describe intersex, a very rare condition which occurs in approximately 1-2 live births out of 100. I make an allowance for this in my provision for genetic examination, brother. I exclude psycho-social considerations because of the simple fact that there is no discrete definition of what it means to "feel" like one is male or female. The Lord doesn't make mistakes, friend. No one is born into the wrong body. A male is a male based upon genitalia, and the same applies to a female (a superficial determination). If this is disputed, then an examination of the genome is warranted (a forensic judgment). As an aside where forensic science is concerned, the skeletal structures of a person may also be examined to determine sex. As I'm sure you know very well, the pelvic structure of a male differs significantly from that of a female. This is true even if a male manifests wide hips or a female appears to have narrow hips. The truth is revealed in the structure. Edited March 22, 2022 by Marathoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted March 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.10 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Marathoner said: It seems that my statement regarding the examination of DNA was lost somewhere. The reality underwriting phenotypical expression of secondary sexual characteristics is indeed nuanced, which is why the genome of a person reveals if that individual is male or female. There is a genetic basis for intersex individuals, my friend. "Just look at the DNA" is much more nuanced than having a "male" or a "female" genome. 1 hour ago, Marathoner said: You describe intersex, a very rare condition which occurs in approximately 1-2 live births out of 100. I make an allowance for this in my provision for genetic examination, brother. To be completely forthright, I believe the 1-2% figure includes individuals with self-identified sexual dysmorphia, but I'm not certain of that. The biological intersex frequency is somewhat lower than even that. I just think it is extremely important to recognize this. Although the percentage may be small, if we consider something along the lines of 0.05% of 320 million people, that adds up to 160,000 Americans that God created in an intentional way that do not fit neatly into "male" or "female" categories. 1 hour ago, Marathoner said: The Lord doesn't make mistakes, friend. Of course I agree with this. That is my point. God chose those individuals to not fit into norms and God loves them just as much as He loves you and I and anyone else with a much more straightforward sex. It is wrong to ignore these beloved individuals. 1 hour ago, Marathoner said: As an aside where forensic science is concerned, the skeletal structures of a person may also be examined to determine sex. As I'm sure you know very well, the pelvic structure of a male differs significantly from that of a female. This is true even if a male manifests wide hips or a female appears to have narrow hips. The truth is revealed in the structure. For most individuals, sure. However, reality is often much more nuanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted March 25, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,710 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Because lets face reality...conservatives are no longer the silent majority...theyre the minority...against people that don't follow the rules. And it truly started in the 60s when they pulled the Bible out of our schools. Abraham Lincoln said it best "the philosophy of our schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of our government in the next" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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