Popular Post JAG** Posted March 19, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Is a question asked by Patrick J. Buchanan in his classic work The Death Of The West. Says Buchanan: One reason is "The Liberals have captured the institutions where the young spend most of their waking hours -- MTV and primetime, movies and magazines, schools and colleges -- the Liberal Revolution is able to shape the values, beliefs, and attitudes of the young. Artists, actors, playwrights, song writers, and popular singers are almost all on the other side. (As for the Conservatives. . . ) Op-ed page commentators and radio hosts (eg Mark Levine) cannot match this cultural firepower. The arsenals are unequal. Moreover, the entertainment that the (Liberal) cultural revolution has to offer is far more attractive and alluring, thus many of the children of traditionalists defect." __Patrick J. Buchanan, The Death Of The West, pages 201-211 The Death Of The West is an oldie goldie but well worth reading or re-reading. Its a magnificent conservative work. Thoughts? JAG Edited March 19, 2022 by JAG** 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hobie_ Posted March 19, 2022 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 6 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,786 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 717 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2009 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, JAG** said: Is a question asked by Patrick J. Buchanan in his classic work The Death Of The West. Says Buchanan: One reason is "The Liberals have captured the institutions where the young spend most of their waking hours -- MTV and primetime, movies and magazines, schools and colleges -- the Liberal Revolution is able to shape the values, beliefs, and attitudes of the young. Artists, actors, playwrights, song writers, and popular singers are almost all on the other side. (As for the Conservatives. . . ) Op-ed page commentators and radio hosts (eg Mark Levine) cannot match this cultural firepower. The arsenals are unequal. Moreover, the entertainment that the (Liberal) cultural revolution has to offer is far more attractive and alluring, thus many of the children of traditionalists defect." __Patrick J. Buchanan, The Death Of The West, pages 201-211 The Death Of The West is an oldie goldie but well worth reading or re-reading. Its a magnificent conservative work. Thoughts? JAG Indoctrination of the young, and banishment of God in all learning..books, science, ideas, etc.. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted March 19, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Hobie_ said: Indoctrination of the young, and banishment of God in all learning..books, science, ideas, etc.. Exactly. Nailed it. JAG `` 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,264 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2022 Maybe the Church in the West should not have conceded those spheres of human endeavor. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Tefillah Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.42 Content Count: 2,092 Content Per Day: 2.58 Reputation: 1,582 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/06/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2022 12 hours ago, JAG** said: Is a question asked by Patrick J. Buchanan in his classic work The Death Of The West. Says Buchanan: One reason is "The Liberals have captured the institutions where the young spend most of their waking hours -- MTV and primetime, movies and magazines, schools and colleges -- the Liberal Revolution is able to shape the values, beliefs, and attitudes of the young. Artists, actors, playwrights, song writers, and popular singers are almost all on the other side. (As for the Conservatives. . . ) Op-ed page commentators and radio hosts (eg Mark Levine) cannot match this cultural firepower. The arsenals are unequal. Moreover, the entertainment that the (Liberal) cultural revolution has to offer is far more attractive and alluring, thus many of the children of traditionalists defect." __Patrick J. Buchanan, The Death Of The West, pages 201-211 The Death Of The West is an oldie goldie but well worth reading or re-reading. Its a magnificent conservative work. Thoughts? JAG Agree, but I also believe that this just had to happen, that it is prophetic. Even so, I think it is so sad 😔. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,469 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2022 There is no disagreement here; we see how humanity's conditions are shaping up according to scripture. I occasionally listen to Mark Levine on his program and Fox News, and I cannot recall anything I have disagreed with from a secular perspective; he is right on. There is too much to unpack on who and how we reached this point, both biblically and secularly. But, no one can say our replacement generation is not brainwashed by public schools, institutions of higher learning, Hollywood / celebrities, and the liberal media fake news that is propaganda and opinion-shaping. Critical thinking and alternates to evolutionary theory are banned from secular institutions, and people who dared to question the status quo were ostracized and removed. Child parenting is replaced with bombardments of the ideological theology of humanism and socialism. Should a child spend two hours a week at Sunday School and church, how does that stack up to the rest of their exposure? What is the difference between a Republican and Democrat politician in high office regardless of their official platform statements? Who do they represent and serve, their constituents? There are more special interests and lobbyists in Washington than members of Congress. Or the people who fronted them millions of dollars to have access and political favor of the position and office? They are compromised to get and maintain that office because of the enormous amounts of money needed to get elected. Yes, we have seen the irreversible death of the west, where the law is legislated calling evil good and good evil. Lighting up the White House in rainbow colors and encouraging to celebrate abominations. Those who speak the truth in love from the Bible are labeled haters spouting hate speech, dividers and domestic terrorists, non-inclusive, and a basket of deplorables, THE problem. Just some of my thoughts… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 20, 2022 The world is filled with lies and the deeds and issuances of sinful fleshy men without the Light of Christ. Has been since the Fall, etc. There have been over the centuries since Christ, some dark times indeed…and dark deeds. Often, when these things come up, I return to a thought that has concerned me many years and especially as it regards western civ and when I am myopic, the USA. Abortion…moloch worship and sacrifice of our children. I do not mean in a prophetic sense, but rather how God has dealt with nations. God does not need these nations for the ‘Great Commission’. There has always been abortion, but a nation has given overt permission…to worship Moloch. Who values these little ones? And what does He say about those who do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Josheb said: Amen. If I may add to the list, so too is Allan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" and Francis Schaeffer's trilogy. The former looks at the drift in academia and the latter is a survey of art, history, and philosophy presuppositional drifts from a conservative Christian pov. Schaeffer is loquacious and covers a lot. One of the things he points out that is so simple and yet profound and thus helpful as we face the unsaved is the moving away from a way of thinking…..antithesis to the relativism that saturates humanism and attempts and fails to make man autonomous. Briefly…the mechanical eats up grace. HUGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Josheb said: Yep. As a man thinketh, so he is. Van Til, and later folks like Clark, Schaeffer, and Bahnsen looked how the underlying (usually unstated) beliefs influence everything, and how the Christian worldview in particular, and theism more generically, slowly eroded as the foundation of all thought. Words like "good" and "bad" have become meaningless. Yup…I like his logic as it pertains to good being pinned to what is and how did what is come to be. :-) Jumping off in that territory can be helpful in pointing folks to the answer…which reminds me of an op I thought to start this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted March 20, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Josheb said: And I find many more conservatives (theologically or politically) understand the basics of conservatism. Good point, Josh. I own and run a forum for motorcycle enthusiasts. Most every one is conservative. Many are believers and many are not. An interesting mix. There is much heated discussion on current events mostly motivated by hate and disgust and sorrow over a loss of.....fill in the blank. I get the opportunity to speak of these things. Breaking through can be a real hard nut. I trust the Lord for any increase. :-) More folks have openly discussed the Lord and scripture in these last couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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