Who is Israel? And what is God's plan for the Jewish people?

[B-B]

On 4/19/2022 at 9:49 PM, BibleGuy said:

Paul flat-out calls people "fools" when needed (Gal. 3:1)....

Hi @BibleGuy 😃

Paul rebuked the 'foolish Galatians' for listening and following/obeying the Judaizers - the Jewish false teachers who were leading the Galatian churches astray. 

The Galatians received the Holy Spirit at salvation, not because they kept 'the Law', but because, when they heard the Gospel (Christ crucified), they were granted saving faith.

1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 

2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 

3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—

Galatians 3:1-5

Edited April 21, 2022 by B-B

[kwikphilly]

On 4/18/2022 at 6:42 PM, BibleGuy said:

Thanks, friend!

Trying to be overtly friendly....because it's easy for online chats to digress unpleasantly....

On the other hand, sometimes you gotta get blunt and to the point (Mt. 23).

Blessings...

 

Lol- sure, though we can still be diplomatic in our approach ....

 Thanks again for your contributions, great stuff!

 Your Sister in Christ, Kwik

[BibleGuy]

On 4/21/2022 at 4:22 AM, B-B said:

Hi @BibleGuy 😃

Paul rebuked the 'foolish Galatians' for listening and following/obeying the Judaizers - the Jewish false teachers who were leading the Galatian churches astray. 

The Galatians received the Holy Spirit at salvation, not because they kept 'the Law', but because, when they heard the Gospel (Christ crucified), they were granted saving faith.

1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 

2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 

3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—

Galatians 3:1-5

You are right!  Paul opposed the Judaizers.....because the Judaizers opposed faith.

Paul taught Torah AND faith together.  Paul's "faith" was a TORAH-OBEDIENT faith, not a faithless Torah-obedience.  That's why Paul applies TORAH to you as the very exemplification of the FAITH which Paul preaches (applying Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom. 10:8).

And OF COURSE we oppose faithless works of the law....that would be ridiculous.

And you are right!  The Galatians received the Spirit not because they merely obeyed laws without faith.....

And that very Spirit testifies we should have TORAH written upon our hearts (not cancelled!  Heb. 10:15-16)

That very SPIRIT leads us to obey TORAH statutes and ordinances (Eze. 36:27).

That very SPIRIT is the Spirit of GOD.....and God commands Torah (Dt. 1:3;5:27-33;etc.)

You can choose FLESH or SPIRIT (Rom. 8:4-7).  FLESH disobeys Torah.  So the SPIRIT upholds Torah-obedience!

And the Gospel is a TORAH-OBEDIENT Gospel (thus Jesus applies Torah to you, Mt. 5:19).

And Christ, who was crucified, applies Torah to you (Mt. 4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;23:2-3,23,34), even stating that Torah-obedience is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28).

Thanks for quoting Paul!

By the way, Paul says ALL Scripture (thus including TORAH!) should correct, rebuke, correct, and train your behavior (2Ti.3:16).

 

Blessings!

 

[Heleadethme]

33 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

You are right!  Paul opposed the Judaizers.....because the Judaizers opposed faith.

Paul taught Torah AND faith together.  Paul's "faith" was a TORAH-OBEDIENT faith, not a faithless Torah-obedience.  That's why Paul applies TORAH to you as the very exemplification of the FAITH which Paul preaches (applying Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom. 10:8).

And OF COURSE we oppose faithless works of the law....that would be ridiculous.

And you are right!  The Galatians received the Spirit not because they merely obeyed laws without faith.....

And that very Spirit testifies we should have TORAH written upon our hearts (not cancelled!  Heb. 10:15-16)

That very SPIRIT leads us to obey TORAH statutes and ordinances (Eze. 36:27).

That very SPIRIT is the Spirit of GOD.....and God commands Torah (Dt. 1:3;5:27-33;etc.)

You can choose FLESH or SPIRIT (Rom. 8:4-7).  FLESH disobeys Torah.  So the SPIRIT upholds Torah-obedience!

And the Gospel is a TORAH-OBEDIENT Gospel (thus Jesus applies Torah to you, Mt. 5:19).

And Christ, who was crucified, applies Torah to you (Mt. 4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;23:2-3,23,34), even stating that Torah-obedience is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28).

Thanks for quoting Paul!

By the way, Paul says ALL Scripture (thus including TORAH!) should correct, rebuke, correct, and train your behavior (2Ti.3:16).

 

Blessings!

 

Not the ordinances.  They were done away with, abolished in Christ's flesh, nailed to the cross.  Of course we are instructed by the Law in righteousness regarding morality, honesty etc, it is all the word of God, but the ordinances are finished.   Ordinances were pointing to the Messiah and heavenly realities...tutoring to Christ.  No need for them any more ever since the advent of Christ in the first century and especially since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.

Heb 9:8-10

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL the time of reformation.

 

[BibleGuy]

6 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Not the ordinances.  They were done away with, abolished in Christ's flesh, nailed to the cross.  Of course we are instructed by the Law in righteousness regarding morality, honesty etc, it is all the word of God, but the ordinances are finished.   Ordinances were pointing to the Messiah and heavenly realities...tutoring to Christ.  No need for them any more ever since the advent of Christ in the first century and especially since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.

Heb 9:8-10

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL the time of reformation.

 

 

Hi!  I'll get back to your earlier response, but this is shorter and quicker....

 

You wrote: "Not the ordinances.  They were done away with, abolished in Christ's flesh, nailed to the cross.  Of course we are instructed by the Law in righteousness regarding morality, honesty etc, it is all the word of God, but the ordinances are finished.   Ordinances were pointing to the Messiah and heavenly realities...tutoring to Christ.  No need for them any more ever since the advent of Christ in the first century and especially since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD."

 

My response:

51. Oops!  Paul said ALL Scripture should correct and train your behavior (thus including Torah, 2Ti.3:16).....now be sure to ignore this one too....I mean hey....it's only like objection #51 to your position, right?

52. Eze. 36:27 confirms the ORDINANCES are to be obeyed by inspiration of the Spirit of God......Or do you oppose that very Spirit?

53. Heb. 9:8-10 is supposedly anti-Torah?  Yet the same writer of Hebrews passes TORAH straight into the New Covenant (Heb. 8:8-10;10:15-16)?  Give me a break!  That's called a CONTRADICTION.......try again.  You gotta do better than that....

54. In context, the time of reformation ("διορθώσεως", Heb. 9:10) refers to the change in the HEAVENLY things, not the earthly copies of those things (Heb. 9:23).  Let's stop pretending the writer of Hebrews is pro-Torah in Heb. 8:8-10;10:15-16...but then changed his mind for awhile in Heb. 9:23 and terminated Torah.

55. The same Holy Spirit of Heb. 9:8-10 inspired Stephen (during the NEW Covenant era) to uphold (not oppose!) Mosaic Law (Ac. 6:11-13).  Is the Spirit confused?

56. The same Holy Spirit of Heb. 9:8-10 is OPPOSED to the flesh (Rom. 8).  The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom. 8:7).  So the Spirit opposes Torah-disobedience.  So the Spirit upholds Torah-obedience.  Is the Spirit confused again?

57. The Torah was not "nailed to the cross"!  I already showed you that it's the "χειρόγραφον" that was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14), not Torah!  The Greek word for Torah would be "νόμος", not "χειρόγραφον".  The Torah is not a certificate of debt!  But hey, be sure to ignore this one too....it doesn't fit into your preferred unbiblical theological box....so just ignore it....and then bring up the SAME old refuted line again in a few days....thanks.

58. Man-made human DOGMA "δόγμα" was abolished in Christ's flesh (Eph. 2:15), not Torah!  After all, there is no Torah law preventing Gentiles from being reconciled to God in Christ.  But hey, I already told you this a few days ago....and you ignored it too......so keep ignoring it......and be sure to bring up your refuted argument again in a few days....and then pretend your refuted argument is valid....and just hope and pray that other people ignore my refutation of your position....thanks.

 

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Ok...we're up to 58 objections to your position now....

Be sure to ignore them....

Thanks.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-B]

8 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

You are right!  Paul opposed the Judaizers.....because the Judaizers opposed faith.

Paul taught Torah AND faith together.  Paul's "faith" was a TORAH-OBEDIENT faith, not a faithless Torah-obedience.  That's why Paul applies TORAH to you as the very exemplification of the FAITH which Paul preaches (applying Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom. 10:8).

And OF COURSE we oppose faithless works of the law....that would be ridiculous.

And you are right!  The Galatians received the Spirit not because they merely obeyed laws without faith.....

And that very Spirit testifies we should have TORAH written upon our hearts (not cancelled!  Heb. 10:15-16)

That very SPIRIT leads us to obey TORAH statutes and ordinances (Eze. 36:27).

That very SPIRIT is the Spirit of GOD.....and God commands Torah (Dt. 1:3;5:27-33;etc.)

You can choose FLESH or SPIRIT (Rom. 8:4-7).  FLESH disobeys Torah.  So the SPIRIT upholds Torah-obedience!

And the Gospel is a TORAH-OBEDIENT Gospel (thus Jesus applies Torah to you, Mt. 5:19).

And Christ, who was crucified, applies Torah to you (Mt. 4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;23:2-3,23,34), even stating that Torah-obedience is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28).

Thanks for quoting Paul!

By the way, Paul says ALL Scripture (thus including TORAH!) should correct, rebuke, correct, and train your behavior (2Ti.3:16).

 

Blessings!

 

Hey 😊

thanks for sharing your views/interpretation of Scripture … even if we differ.

God bless

Edited April 25, 2022 by B-B

[Heleadethme]

13 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

 

Hi!  I'll get back to your earlier response, but this is shorter and quicker....

 

You wrote: "Not the ordinances.  They were done away with, abolished in Christ's flesh, nailed to the cross.  Of course we are instructed by the Law in righteousness regarding morality, honesty etc, it is all the word of God, but the ordinances are finished.   Ordinances were pointing to the Messiah and heavenly realities...tutoring to Christ.  No need for them any more ever since the advent of Christ in the first century and especially since the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD."

 

My response:

51. Oops!  Paul said ALL Scripture should correct and train your behavior (thus including Torah, 2Ti.3:16).....now be sure to ignore this one too....I mean hey....it's only like objection #51 to your position, right?

52. Eze. 36:27 confirms the ORDINANCES are to be obeyed by inspiration of the Spirit of God......Or do you oppose that very Spirit?

53. Heb. 9:8-10 is supposedly anti-Torah?  Yet the same writer of Hebrews passes TORAH straight into the New Covenant (Heb. 8:8-10;10:15-16)?  Give me a break!  That's called a CONTRADICTION.......try again.  You gotta do better than that....

54. In context, the time of reformation ("διορθώσεως", Heb. 9:10) refers to the change in the HEAVENLY things, not the earthly copies of those things (Heb. 9:23).  Let's stop pretending the writer of Hebrews is pro-Torah in Heb. 8:8-10;10:15-16...but then changed his mind for awhile in Heb. 9:23 and terminated Torah.

55. The same Holy Spirit of Heb. 9:8-10 inspired Stephen (during the NEW Covenant era) to uphold (not oppose!) Mosaic Law (Ac. 6:11-13).  Is the Spirit confused?

56. The same Holy Spirit of Heb. 9:8-10 is OPPOSED to the flesh (Rom. 8).  The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom. 8:7).  So the Spirit opposes Torah-disobedience.  So the Spirit upholds Torah-obedience.  Is the Spirit confused again?

57. The Torah was not "nailed to the cross"!  I already showed you that it's the "χειρόγραφον" that was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14), not Torah!  The Greek word for Torah would be "νόμος", not "χειρόγραφον".  The Torah is not a certificate of debt!  But hey, be sure to ignore this one too....it doesn't fit into your preferred unbiblical theological box....so just ignore it....and then bring up the SAME old refuted line again in a few days....thanks.

58. Man-made human DOGMA "δόγμα" was abolished in Christ's flesh (Eph. 2:15), not Torah!  After all, there is no Torah law preventing Gentiles from being reconciled to God in Christ.  But hey, I already told you this a few days ago....and you ignored it too......so keep ignoring it......and be sure to bring up your refuted argument again in a few days....and then pretend your refuted argument is valid....and just hope and pray that other people ignore my refutation of your position....thanks.

 

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Ok...we're up to 58 objections to your position now....

Be sure to ignore them....

Thanks.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus fulfilled all those ordinances on our behalf and then they died on the cross in His body with Him.  We can learn by reading them but God no longer requires that we perform them, there is just no need to any more and God no longer ordains that form of worship.  It is no longer His will.

It's so uncanny how many are being pulled back and desire to do those things....just like the allegory of slavery/bondage in Egypt, many who were brought out of Egypt are craving to go back, they're missing the savoury leeks and onions of Egypt...it's so much easier to trust in our own flesh and elements of the seen world than to trust in an invisible God and Saviour and die to the world.  You who desire to be under the Law do you not HEAR THE LAW?  (ears to hear):

Gal 4:24-26

Which things are an ALLEGORY: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hagar the EGYPTIAN....a slave.  Mt. Sinai where the Law was given.

Gal 4:1-5

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant (slave), though he be lord of all;

But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

This is why Jerusalem is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt......many are looking back longingly to Egypt/Sodom like Lot's wife.

What happened to those in the wilderness who were trying to return to Egypt.....they were judged by God....swallowed up by the earth and died....allegory for returning to the flesh and elements of this world and dying spiritually....FALLEN FROM GRACE (Gal 5:4) , ie, returned to the condition of a lost soul and dead in sins.  

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Heleadethme

[BibleGuy]

10 hours ago, Golds and Blues said:

What do you mean in number 54.? I understand how communication about the english word ordinances/rules can be vague and confusing. 

Yet I dont see a reformed heaven only in scripture.

 

I was noting that Heb 9:23 confirms that the earthly tabernacle is a copy of the heavenly tabernacle.  And, the activity in the earthly tabernacle is in accordance with Torah (i.e., animal sacrifices), whereas the activity in the heavenly tabernacle is now in accordance with the superior sacrifice of Christ's blood.

So then, the time of reformation (Heb. 9:10) refers, in context of Heb. 9, to the change in the heavenly tabernacle, NOT a change in the earthly tabernacle.  Thus, Levitical Torah continues to apply, even though the superior heavenly tabernacle has been changed by the blood of Christ. 

That's why we see animal sacrifices CONTINUING even into the New Covenant era (Ac. 22; Ac. 6:7; Is. 66; Zec. 14; Dt. 30:1-8;Jer. 33;Mal. 3;Eze. 40-47).....because the New Covenant changes that occurred in the heavenly tabernacle do not change (or cancel) Levitical priestly sacrificial Torah requirements.

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

12 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Jesus fulfilled all those ordinances on our behalf and then they died on the cross in His body with Him.  We can learn by reading them but God no longer requires that we perform them, there is just no need to any more and God no longer ordains that form of worship.  It is no longer His will.

It's so uncanny how many are being pulled back and desire to do those things....just like the allegory of slavery/bondage in Egypt, many who were brought out of Egypt are craving to go back, they're missing the savoury leeks and onions of Egypt...it's so much easier to trust in our own flesh and elements of the seen world than to trust in an invisible God and Saviour and die to the world.  You who desire to be under the Law do you not HEAR THE LAW?  (ears to hear):

Gal 4:24-26

Which things are an ALLEGORY: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hagar the EGYPTIAN....a slave.  Mt. Sinai where the Law was given.

Gal 4:1-5

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant (slave), though he be lord of all;

But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

This is why Jerusalem is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt......many are looking back longingly to Egypt/Sodom like Lot's wife.

What happened to those in the wilderness who were trying to return to Egypt.....they were judged by God....swallowed up by the earth and died....allegory for returning to the flesh and elements of this world and dying spiritually....FALLEN FROM GRACE (Gal 5:4) , ie, returned to the condition of a lost soul and dead in sins.  

 

HI there!

Glad to see you have ignored the 58 Biblical objections I've raised against your anti-Torah position thus far....thank you so much!

 

Ok then, let's go ahead and see your latest comments:

 

59. You wrote: "Jesus fulfilled all those ordinances on our behalf"

My response:  Since Jesus walked in accordance with Torah, then so should you (1Jn.2:6;Lk.6:40).  Be sure to ignore this one too....thanks.

 

60.  You wrote: " they died on the cross in His body with Him.  "

My response:  No.  That's just your wishful thinking.  The "χειρόγραφον" was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14), not Torah.  Greek for Torah is "νόμος", not "χειρόγραφον".  The Torah is not a certificate of debt!

Now, be sure to ignore this (even though I've told you about this 3 times now). 

Thanks again!

 

61. You wrote: "We can learn by reading them but God no longer requires that we perform them"

My response:  Oops!  Jesus upholds even the smallest of Torah commands (Mt. 5:19).  Try again, thanks!

 

62. You wrote: "just like the allegory of slavery/bondage in Egypt, many who were brought out of Egypt are craving to go back"

My response:  Nonsense.  You should NOT go back to faithless Torah-obedience.  That's bad.  Instead, you should uphold FAITHFUL Torah-obedience.  After all, Paul says that TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Dt. 30:14) is the very word of faith which Paul preaches (applying Dt. 30:14 to you at Rom.10:8).  Torah and faith properly go together.....that's why Paul (again and again and again) OPPOSES law without faith.

Ok....you REALLY need to keep ignoring that one as well.

I do appreciate it.

 

63. You wrote: " there is just no need to any more"

My response:  Oops!  Paul applies God's commands to you (1Cor.7:19).  John agrees (1Jn.5:3).  And WHERE are God's commands found?  Oh that's right!  The WRITTEN TORAH OF MOSES (1Ki.2:3).

Ok....quickly delete this message.....you don't want to be thinking about these 63 Bible facts that you don't like.

Thanks.

 

64.  You wrote: "It is no longer His will."

My response:  Oops!  God's will is to have Torah in your heart (Ps.40:8).  Paul upholds the Psalms (2Ti.3:16;Eph.5:19;Col.3:16).  Jesus likewise says the Psalms are Scripture which must not be broken (e.g., Jn. 10:35).

 

Ok, now be sure to ignore Paul and Jesus....so that you can pretend the Psalms do not apply to you.

Many thanks.

 

65.  You wrote: "It's so uncanny how many are being pulled back and desire to do those things...."

My response:  So true!  Obeying God is SO UNCANNY!  It's crazy really....I mean, hey.....Jesus told us that obedience to Torah is sufficient for eternal life (Lk.10:25-28).

Why would ANYBODY want to believe Jesus' words?

I mean c'mon man.....that's SO UNCANNY.

 

66.  You wrote: "it's so much easier to trust in our own flesh"

My response:  Very true.  The flesh is bad.

The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7).

So Torah-disobedience is bad.

So Torah-obedience is good!

Ok....be sure to ignore that one again (like you have twice before....)

I appreciate that...thanks.

 

67.  You wrote: "trust in an invisible God and Saviour and die to the world. "

My response:  GREAT point.  We should TRUST God.  Those who trust in God do not rely upon deceptive worthless words (Jer.7:4-8); rather, they walk in obedience to God's commands (Jer.7:23) which, of course, are contained in the Torah (1Ki.2:3;Dt.32:46).  And, those who walk in God's salvation will do God's commands (Ps. 119:166).

So let's trust God, our Savior, as we walk in obedience to Torah!

And let's die to the worldly nonsense that ignores this Biblical truth.

Great points, thanks!

 

68.  You wrote: "FALLEN FROM GRACE (Gal 5:4)"

My response:  Yes, it would be TERRIBLE to fall from grace.

That's why Torah-obedience without faith is REALLY BAD.

That's why Paul says that the word of FAITH which he preaches (Rom.10:8) is TORAH-OBEDIENT FAITH (thus applying Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom.10:8).

After all, Paul upholds the New Covenant (1Cor.11:25) in which Torah is written upon your heart (Jer.31:31-33;Heb.8:8-10;10:15-16) so that you will OBEY IT (Dt. 30:14 cited at Rom.10:8).

Besides, the Biblical pattern is to receive GRACE FIRST (Ex.33:13), and THEN we seek to know God's ways (Ex.33:13) which, of course, are contained in the written Torah of Moses (1Ki.2:3).

Ok.....now be sure to pray God erase this knowledge from your heart....I mean hey, why would you want to listen to Biblical considerations, right?

Who in the world would ever want TORAH written in your HEART? (Jer.31:31-33 cited at Heb. 8:8-10 and 10:15-16).

Let's not get crazy now.....

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Okay......we're up to 68 Biblical objections to your antinomianism.

Make sure you ignore them....and then just cite another passage instead.

Thanks so much!

Blessings....

 

 

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

2 hours ago, Golds and Blues said:

I've read and noted your response to how sacrifice in blood is solely responsible for all of Torah.

I respond in asking yourself and the readers how bloodshed of animals has anything to do with the 4 shorn heads of men till a vow is completed? 4 cups till a fifth cup where ole sh'aul the pharisee himself has his head shorn. 4 ordinances of abstinence! Do you know those sacrifices paul made while seeing darkly in a mirror?

How Much more was offered to build the mishkan without blood and sweat from man and beast being slain. If I recall correctly every material was brought forth in humility. Till at least arrogance set in with 2 particular individuals that sought blood. After which their father was given charge to remind the house of levi and the whole house of Israel of their failure like an adam whom ate from the tree of good and evil..

Do you hear?

To be quite honest, your words are routinely unintelligible....

Moreover, I never said "sacrifice in blood is solely responsible for all of Torah".

So, my words are obviously unintelligible to you as well.

Thinking we've got a serious communication break-down here....

blessings....