Sparks Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.04 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: That is correct. They have the ability to choose. That is one reason I am against infant baptism. Yeah, it does not seem to have much meaning but it makes the parents feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Hopefully said: Sounds good because it doesn’t result in one not being baptized. The way I usually express my feelings about baptism is that baptism doesn't save a person but a saved person gets baptized. My version of salvation is a full Romans 10:9-10 conversion. I do believe one has to openly declare Jesus is their Lord and of course mean it and believe in their heart that God raised him from the dead. Otherwise you just make oneself a liar instead of a child of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 Just now, other one said: The way I usually express my feelings about baptism is that baptism doesn't save a person but a saved person gets baptized. I believe this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sparks said: Yeah, it does not seem to have much meaning but it makes the parents feel better. The problem is that they think that if a baby dies they will not go to heaven unlesss they have been baptized. That is not what the Bible tells us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.04 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 minute ago, missmuffet said: The problem is that they think that if a baby dies they will not go to heaven unlesss they have been baptized. That is not what the Bible tells us. Yep, there are a lot of unBiblical beliefs out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Yep, there are a lot of unBiblical beliefs out there. You've got that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted May 1, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Hopefully said: Do you think it is possible for someone to have believing loyalty and choose not to get baptized? God is soverign over all. He recognizes that is also a part of the IMAGE He gave us. There are may reasons for baptism... perhaps some are superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigo42 Posted May 1, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 266 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/14/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2022 23 hours ago, Hopefully said: “Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38 “But John tried to stop him. John said, “Why do you come to me to be baptized? I should be baptized by you!” Jesus answered, “Let it be this way for now. We should do whatever God says is right.” Then John agreed. So Jesus was baptized. As soon as he came up out of the water, the sky opened, and he saw God’s Spirit coming down on him like a dove.” Matthew 3:14-16 ERV I believe the answer is yes because I did not receive the Holy Spirit until after I was baptized and years later at that. Some people believe baptism is not necessary, but the verses above do not sound optional. If Jesus said get baptized and was even baptized himself why would anyone tell people to do the opposite? Why did the Spirit ascend on Jesus only after he was baptized? Water baptism is just an outward symbol of the inward change. The most important change is baptism of the spirit on the inside. That's where the Holy Spirit changes us. The water baptism comes after that and is just a statement of the internal change that has already occurred. Sometimes some passages are taken too literally and out of context. Don't forget, above all God gave us all common sense, and if it's doesn't feel right or seem right, it's probably not right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted May 1, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Amigo42 said: if it's doesn't feel right or seem right, it's probably not right. It doesn’t feel right or seem right for people to say baptism is not necessary. So I made this thread to understand why people would tell others that. People often say what would Jesus do, but in this case it doesn’t seem to matter that Jesus would and did get baptized. I don’t feel getting baptized is trying to be saved by works but it is something we were told to do. We are told be doers of the word not hearers only. I did not get baptized on my own. I was invited to do so, and I did. Edited May 1, 2022 by Hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigo42 Posted May 1, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 266 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/14/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Hopefully said: It doesn’t feel right or seem right for people to say baptism is not necessary. So I made this thread to understand why people would tell others that. People often say what would Jesus do, but in this case it doesn’t seem to matter that Jesus would and did get baptized. I don’t feel getting baptized is trying to be saved by works but it is something we were told to do. We are told be doers of the word not hearers only. I did not get baptized on my own. I was invited to do so, and I did. I agree. People should get baptized as an example of what Christ did. However, when I say it's not necessary I mean that it is not legalistically required for salvation. If someone is on their deathbed in the middle of Africa in the desert with no water nearby, God is not going to shut the doors of heaven because they couldn't get a water baptism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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