Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: Are you saying those living in Israel now are living in the kingdom of God? It will be the kingdom of God the day God shows up. https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-15.htm This was promised to Abraham and his seed FOREVER. God will not go back on his promise. https://biblehub.com/galatians/3-16.htm Jesus plainly stated it belonged to him before he died. https://biblehub.com/mark/12-7.htm Today they say that it belongs to them. https://biblehub.com/luke/13-28.htm Jesus plainly stated they will be cast out of the kingdom of heaven, and yes it is where they are today. There is a beast in the promised land and it has seven heads and ten horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: Are you saying those living in Israel now are living in the kingdom of God? Keep this in mind. You have to be in the kingdom of heaven before you can be cast out of it. https://biblehub.com/revelation/20-4.htm And 1000 years after apostate israel is cast out of the kingdom of heaven and christ has reigned there as this verse states. https://biblehub.com/revelation/20-4.htm Then Gog will Invade the kingdom of heaven and encircle the the saints at Jerusalem where christ reigns upon the throne of David and fire comes down out of heaven from God and burns Gog and his army up. That's happens 1000 years after Christ comes and begins his reign in the kingdom of heaven that was promised to Abraham and his seed long long ago. Edited May 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Amos says why they are cast out on the day of the Lord. The scripture in Amos is referring to the carrying away into Babylon when it says 'I will cause you to go away into captivity beyond Damascus...this is the time of the 'carrying away into Babylon' in Matthew 1:17 and has no reference to the Day of the Lord. Quote So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. The other scripture is pertaining to the Day of the Lord when all the nations are gathered together against Jerusalem...it says Quote For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Half of the city goes into captivity (by the armies that are gathered together against it...) but then it says God will then fight against those nations in the next verse: Quote Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. This is when Israel is delivered and she is converted...this is the 14400 that John spoke about that God then pours out his spirit on...this is when they see Jesus and ask him , 'Where did you get those scars in your hands...he says when I was wounded in the house of my friends.' This is one of the events listed in Daniel 12 when the man of sin comes to his end...as it states: 1)Michael stands up... 2) There will be a time of trouble... 3) Thy people (Israel) will be delivered... 4)Those that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...both the good and the bad... This is when God goes forth and fights against those nations..this is when Israel is delivered...this is when Israel (the 144000) gets grafted back into the vine (which is Jesus) So the quote below is not at all what is going on in Zech. 14 ...they are not removed from the Kingdom of heaven...it is at this time that they are grafted back into the vine and are converted. 7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Here zechariah also said they will go into exile,meaning they are removed from the kingdom of heaven on the day of the lord. Remember, they were previously not in the kingdom of God, but now God is fighting for them and it is at this time they are converted...they can't be removed from the kingdom of heaven that they were not in previously. Jesus said some 2000 years ago 'your house is left unto desolate and I will see you no more until you cry out 'blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord...' which they will do when Jesus comes and saves them from all these nations gathered against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,694 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Share Posted May 16, 2022 It seems to me that many people don’t see how the Bible prophesies tie together to make a whole coherent picture. There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books. Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18. The problem the promoters of the OWG have, is the refusal of the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. We all prefer to do our own thing and with the current world situation, this works OK. There are hiccups with nations that mismanage their economies, but it is against the interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt. So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there has to be some kind of dramatic event to start this process. That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone! Iran will proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent developments in Syria, Gaza and Israel, is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their Satanic religion pushes them into it. Ezekiel 35:6, Proverbs 8:32 However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 83, 2 Peter 3:7, virtually depopulating the entire Middle East region. Ezekiel 7:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 49:35, Isaiah 34:5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 2:4-5 and many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath. The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy. Not quite as planned, but a similar result! What happens to all the true believers in the Lord? Raptured to heaven? Nowhere does the Bible say that will happen at any time. 1 Peter 3:12 says it clearly; it will be the fiery test of our faith and we must stand firm, believing in His protection. Then: look up, for our redemption is near. Luke 21:25-28 Jesus will Return a few years after this disaster; the Sixth Seal. . *Google - 10 world regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, transmogrified said: The scripture in Amos is referring to the carrying away into Babylon when it says 'I will cause you to go away into captivity beyond Damascus...this is the time of the 'carrying away into Babylon' in Matthew 1:17 and has no reference to the Day of the Lord. The other scripture is pertaining to the Day of the Lord when all the nations are gathered together against Jerusalem...it says Half of the city goes into captivity (by the armies that are gathered together against it...) but then it says God will then fight against those nations in the next verse: This is when Israel is delivered and she is converted...this is the 14400 that John spoke about that God then pours out his spirit on...this is when they see Jesus and ask him , 'Where did you get those scars in your hands...he says when I was wounded in the house of my friends.' This is one of the events listed in Daniel 12 when the man of sin comes to his end...as it states: 1)Michael stands up... 2) There will be a time of trouble... 3) Thy people (Israel) will be delivered... 4)Those that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...both the good and the bad... This is when God goes forth and fights against those nations..this is when Israel is delivered...this is when Israel (the 144000) gets grafted back into the vine (which is Jesus) So the quote below is not at all what is going on in Zech. 14 ...they are not removed from the Kingdom of heaven...it is at this time that they are grafted back into the vine and are converted. Remember, they were previously not in the kingdom of God, but now God is fighting for them and it is at this time they are converted...they can't be removed from the kingdom of heaven that they were not in previously. Jesus said some 2000 years ago 'your house is left unto desolate and I will see you no more until you cry out 'blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord...' which they will do when Jesus comes and saves them from all these nations gathered against them. So you believe the Israelis who recieve the mark of the beast will repent? Amos is talking about the day of the Lord in chapter 5.i know you don't want to believe they find a replacement for christ but they already have. They have already chosen a king and his symbol is a star just as Amos prophecied. You can wish upon that star but your wish isn't going to come true. https://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/13-28.htm There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, issac, and jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves thrust out. You can not be thrust out of the kingdom of God without ever being in it. Therefore they most assuredly were in it before being thrust out. For some strange reason it sounds like you are trying to say God will not keep his promise to Abraham and give him the land he told him he would give as an everlasting possession . Why do you believe God will not keep his promise? Edited May 17, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: So you believe the Israelis who recieve the mark of the beast will repent? Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven except the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost...taking the mark is not an unforgivable sin...even during the tribulation the angel goes saying to 'come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her plagues..' If there was no way they could come out of her, then the message means nothing..... John saw a great multitude that no man could number out of every nation tribe and tongue who had came out of the great tribulation and had washed their robes in the blood of the lamb. So very many people repented. 10 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Amos is talking about the day of the Lord in chapter 5. Here is Amos 5:18-19 ... that is all that specifically mentions the day of the Lord...the carrying away into Babylon does not pertain to the day of the Lord. Quote Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. 19As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. 20Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? 16 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: i know you don't want to believe they find a replacement for christ but they already have. Who is they? Those dwelling in Israel? 17 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: They have already chosen a king and his symbol is a star just as Amos prophecied. Who is the king and what is his star? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, transmogrified said: So you believe the Israelis who recieve the mark of the beast will repent? More specifically as it pertains to Israel, there are 144000 that will repent...12000 out of each tribe. The great multitude includes every tribe and nation, but there is a specified number of those who are converted out of the 12 tribes of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, transmogrified said: Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven except the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost...taking the mark is not an unforgivable sin...even during the tribulation the angel goes saying to 'come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her plagues..' If there was no way they could come out of her, then the message means nothing..... John saw a great multitude that no man could number out of every nation tribe and tongue who had came out of the great tribulation and had washed their robes in the blood of the lamb. So very many people repented. Here is Amos 5:18-19 ... that is all that specifically mentions the day of the Lord...the carrying away into Babylon does not pertain to the day of the Lord. Who is they? Those dwelling in Israel? Who is the king and what is his star? First you changed what the word says. The angel does not say come out of her that you recieve not her plagues. It says come out of her that you commit not her sins and recieve not her plagues. So if they were going to come out of her, they had better do it before committing her sins. ----------- Again you changed the word to fit your agenda. Amos does not say carry say to Babylon. Amos say go into exile beyond Damascus. Amos said nothing about Babylon. --------------------- The great multitude John say came out of the nations. It does not say they came out of Israel. There are 144000 that come out of Israel. That's about 2 percent of Israel's population which is the same percentage of christians in Israel today. ------------------------ https://biblehub.com/amos/5-26.htm Thier king is who they have chosen as king of Israel in place of Christ who they have rejected. The star which is the symbol of thier king is the star on Israel's flag. It represents thier Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, transmogrified said: More specifically as it pertains to Israel, there are 144000 that will repent...12000 out of each tribe. The great multitude includes every tribe and nation, but there is a specified number of those who are converted out of the 12 tribes of Israel. No. The great multitude pertains to the nations. Read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 17, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: First you changed what the word says. The angel does not say come out of her that you recieve not her plagues. It says come out of her that you commit not her sins and recieve not her plagues. So if they were going to come out of her, they had better do it before committing her sins. Pardon me, I was not intentionally removing that part out of the scripture, I was focusing on the aspect that it was possible to come out of Babylon, or his message would be meaningless. Yes, if you don't come out of her you would be partakers of her sins. Quote So if they were going to come out of her, they had better do it before committing her sins. I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'they had better do it before committing her sins...' When Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, it is acknowledged that this would pertain to someone who had sinned, or there would be no need to be forgiven. So why would you say 'they had better do it before commiting her sins?' What if they had already been partaker of her sins? 57 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Again you changed the word to fit your agenda. Amos does not say carry say to Babylon. Amos say go into exile beyond Damascus. Amos said nothing about Babylon. I wasn't changing it to fit my agenda. This scripture was quoted by Stephen in Acts 7:53 that said Babylon and not 'beyond Damascus.' Quote Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. I'm not sure exactly why the difference...here is one commentator on this: Quote Beyond Babylon; the prophet Amos saith, beyond Damascus, Amos 5:27: here St. Stephen does not contradict the prophet, for they who were carried away beyond Babylon must needs be carried away beyond Damascus, The carrying away into Babylon seems to have taken place about 587 BC...I have not looked real close at that date so it might be off. 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: The great multitude John say came out of the nations. It does not say they came out of Israel. There are 144000 that come out of Israel. That's about 2 percent of Israel's population which is the same percentage of christians in Israel today. I was including Israel in that they also washed their robes in the blood of the lamb and came out of great tribulation...the word 'kindred' when it is used in the scripture where they came out of every 'kindred,' is the same word for 'tribe' when it is used pertaining to the tribes of Israel. So in saying they came out of every 'kindred' is the same as saying they came out of every 'tribe.' But yes, the number for Israel is specifically 144,000. 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: Thier king is who they have chosen as king of Israel in place of Christ who they have rejected. So who is this king? 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: The star which is the symbol of thier king is the star on Israel's flag. It represents thier Republic. it represents their republic... So who does the star represent? Stephen said it was the star of their God Remphan....I don't know if the star of Remphan can be directly identified with a six pointed star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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