Meaning of Galations 2:14. I haven't delved deeper, But meaning of Galations 2:14. Thoughts ? Thank you.

[believeinHim]

"This person murdered someone today",

Well, I'm sure they were just following grace, So it's forgiven.  {Example, one,},

[Omegaman 3.0]

 

On 8/26/2022 at 8:12 AM, believeinHim said:

"This person murdered someone today",

Well, I'm sure they were just following grace, So it's forgiven.  {Example, one,},

I don't think I have encountered a single person that thanks that way. The contrast is that one can try to live a life of good deeds and holy living, in hope that that will save them, but unless they can life a life completely sin free they will fail and be lost. No one is able to do that. If one lies about someone or steals a paper clip from work or drives one mile per hour over the speed limit, they have demonstrated that they are imperfect and not qualified to spend eternity in heaven. That is why we need a savior and grace.

Jesus lived the perfect life that we could not, and gave His live as a sacrifice for sinners, to that His righteousness would be put to the credit of those who by grace, through faith, have forgiveness of sins, yes, even murder. However, the person who had been given the new spiritual nature will not use grace as a license to sin. God still takes sin seriously, and some who think they can get away with sinning intentionally because of the grace of God, may well have a big surprise, even some who thought they were doing good.

If they do not have a loving relationship with Jesus, then He is not in them, and they will not live lives of obedience, which is one way we love Jesus.

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

24“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

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And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

God is not mocked, as a person sows, so shall they reap!

So yeah, if we depend on the law, and think we can earn salvation by right living, we are deceiving ourselves. If we trust Jesus for forgiveness and salvation, and do that out of a genuine, supernaturally given heart, we will repent, confess our sin when we fail, and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[Deadworm]

Peter and Barnabas temporarily withdraw from table fellowship with Gentiles so as not to offend the visiting "men from James" (Jesus' brother) who of course were Torah-observant and would have been offended by such table fellowship.  Paul was wrong to lose his temper and failed to appreciate this temporary withdrawal out of the respect for Jesus' brother and His Torah values.

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6 minutes ago, Deadworm said:

Peter and Barnabas temporarily withdraw from table fellowship with Gentiles so as not to offend the visiting "men from James" (Jesus' brother) who of course were Torah-observant and would have been offended by such table fellowship.  Paul was wrong to lose his temper and failed to appreciate this temporary withdrawal out of the respect for Jesus' brother and His Torah values.

How do you know Paul "lost his temper".

[Jayne]

47 minutes ago, Deadworm said:

Peter and Barnabas temporarily withdraw from table fellowship with Gentiles so as not to offend the visiting "men from James" (Jesus' brother) who of course were Torah-observant and would have been offended by such table fellowship.  Paul was wrong to lose his temper and failed to appreciate this temporary withdrawal out of the respect for Jesus' brother and His Torah values.

You make Peter sound so mannerly and only being good to his guests.  That's not what the Bible says.

The Bible says that Peter was a hypocrite and ignoring Gentile believers because he was afraid of the Judaizers.  Peter knew that God did not require Gentiles to first become Jews to become Christians, yet he sided with those who did to their face and thereby, and what's worse, others followed Peter's legalistic lead here.  

This is not a social faux pas.

This is a grievous error of distorting the gospel.  That is what the Bible says.

[tim_from_pa]

On 8/25/2022 at 4:49 PM, believeinHim said:

Meaning of Galations 2:14. I haven't delved deeper, But meaning of Galations 2:14. Thoughts ? Thank you.

The clue is verse 16.  Remember the early church was mostly Jewish, and the idea of being justified by the Law was perhaps mixed in with the news of Messiah.  Peter should have known better. Apparently he was tolerating the continuation of Jewish customs for the purpose of salvation. That's because he feared those of "the circumcision" (v12)

[Deadworm]

10 hours ago, Jayne said:

 

Jayne: "The Bible says that Peter was a hypocrite and ignoring Gentile believers because he was afraid of the Judaizers.  Peter knew that God did not require Gentiles to first become Jews to become Christians, yet he sided with those who did to their face"

If anyone is a hyprocrite, it is Paul for abandoning his own principle, "To the Jews I acted like a Jew, that I might win the Jews (1 Cor. 9:20)."

Jayne: "and what's worse, others (Barnabas) followed Peter's legalistic lead here." 

Barnabas recognizes Peter's wise reluctance to offend James and his messengers and is likely offended by yet another hissyfit from Paul like the one where he blew up at Barnabas for wanting to give young Mark a second chance at missionary work (Acts 15:38-39).  The Galatian Gentiles too seem to have sided with Peter against Paul because they procede to honor Peter as their first bishop and preserve Petrine traditions

 

[believeinHim]

The 10 Commandments did not die nor was nailed to the cross with Jesus. We are still required to keep the 10 Commandments. This thread did not and has not turned out as I had hoped !

[believeinHim]

On 8/27/2022 at 12:00 PM, Deadworm said:

Peter and Barnabas temporarily withdraw from table fellowship with Gentiles so as not to offend the visiting "men from James" (Jesus' brother) who of course were Torah-observant and would have been offended by such table fellowship.  Paul was wrong to lose his temper and failed to appreciate this temporary withdrawal out of the respect for Jesus' brother and His Torah values.

Thanks.  

[Deadworm]

On 8/28/2022 at 12:16 AM, Deadworm said:

 

Remember, Peter--not Paul!--is revered as the first bishop of Antioch, even though he, like Paul, is a traveling missionary!   So I think the Gentile Christians at Antioch sided with Peter in his temporary respectful withdrawal from table fellowship with them.  Even Paul's mentor and defender, Barnabas, agrees with Peter. 

 

As for Paul's other hissyfit with Barnabas: "The disagreement became so sharp that they parted company (Acts 15:38)."