The great tribulation

[HAZARD]

 

 America will be one of the many countries which will
escape the end time and the Antichrists rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries
will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole
world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the
Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and
never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can
scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark
of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.
The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign
of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up
yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).



The ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present
states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war
in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten
kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled. These ten kingdoms
will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the
great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24,
the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This
formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.



I suppose America will do what it has always done. She will support those she
is aligned with at the time. Scripture also shows that the Arabs will protect
Israel during the last three and one half years of this age. In Dan. 11:41 we
read that Arabia or ancient Edom and Moab will escape the Antichrist. In Isa.
16:1-5; Ezek. 20:33-35; Matt. 24:15-21; Rev. 12:5-7 we read of Israel fleeing
for protection into the wilderness of Edom and Moab, and since they escape the
Antichrist and flee into this country for protection, then it is clear that the
Arabs protect them during this time. The Bible names the very city in Edom and
Moab that Israel will flee to for protection during the tribulation. It is Sela
or Petra, the capital of Edom (Isa. 16:1-5; 26:20-21; 63:1-8).

[Shilohsfoal]

21 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Possibly but that is pure speculation.

Where you are getting the two witnesses ascend or descend from a Nuclear mushroom cloud.  Again all speculation and no bible. 

The glass sea is referring to God throne room floor.

And before the throne [there was] a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind. - Rev 4:6 KJV

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. - Rev 15:2 KJV

So you believe there is no cloud rising into the heavens from Jerusalem which the two witnesses ascend in? 

Well it sure sounds to me like there is. 

I guess we have nothing else to talk about. I see a cloud rising from Jerusalem and you don't. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-12.htm

And here's that earthquake again,right on time. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-13.htm

Edited October 3, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Jedi4Yahweh]

5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe there is no cloud rising into the heavens from Jerusalem which the two witnesses ascend in? 

Well it sure sounds to me like there is. 

I guess we have nothing else to talk about. I see a cloud rising from Jerusalem and you don't. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-12.htm

And here's that earthquake again,right on time. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-13.htm

No, I don't see a nuclear mushroom cloud in Jerusalem and that the two witness descending down into that mushroom cloud no where in scripture.  You have a very creative imagination, but no its not in scriptures. Scriptures does speak of an earthquake that splits Jerusalem that I specially quoted you (Zec 14), that happens after the gentile nations take control of Jerusalem for a brief time.

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

No, I don't see a nuclear mushroom cloud in Jerusalem and that the two witness descending down into that mushroom cloud no where in scripture.  You have a very creative imagination, but no its not in scriptures. Scriptures does speak of an earthquake that splits Jerusalem that I specially quoted you (Zec 14), that happens after the gentile nations take control of Jerusalem for a brief time.

Scripture says the two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud, not descend. I pasted a link to the verse. 

You also just said the gentiles take control a brief time. 42 months is 3.5 years. That's not a brief time. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-2.htm

Perhaps you overlooked the 42 months the gentiles occupy Jerusalem before the beast attacks them. Or perhaps you just don't know what gentiles are occupying Jerusalem when the beast attacks. 

You should keep studying though. You might someday learn what I've learned as to which gentiles are occupying Jerusalem when the other gentiles attack them. 

[Revelation Man]

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

The great tribulation or great distress is a time that is written that shall be unlike there has ever been. It is caused by an object called the abimination that causes desolation.

Its not "CAUSED" by the AoD per se, that's simply a by product of the evil times. Remember, two things happen at the exact same time, they TAKE AWAY.......THE SACRIFICE (which is Jesus, they forbid Jesus worship in the Temple of God) AND.........they then place the AoD, but who is they? And what is the AoD? Well, they are Israeli leaders, led by the False Prophet High Priest, who forbids Jesus Worship in the temple for sure and maybe nationwide, AFTER Israel repents at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS (Dan. 12:6-12) Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. We see this repentance in Zechariah 13:8-9/14:1 and in Malachi 4:5-6, just before the DOTL (God's Wrath) falls at the 1260 middle of the week events. 

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

It is placed in Jerusalem by the armed forces of the king of the north.

Nope, its placed by the False Prophet, read Rev. 13, who places THE IMAGE ? The False Prophet. After Israel joins the E.U. which is the "Covenant" seen in Dan. 9:27, this False Prophet/High Priest throws in with the E.U. President, especially after 5 million Jews (1/3 as Zechariah 13:8-9 says) repent and start worshiping Jesus, he MANDATES no Jesus Worship, and he then places an Image of the E.U. President in the Temple of God. Now, look back in history, God always gives us a SIGN in History of things to come. Do you think its a coincidence that we go straight from Antiochus Epiphanes (Dan. 11:21-34) to the End Time Anti-Christ in Dan. 11:36-45? 

Antiochus placed a man named Jason (real name Yeshua) as the High Priest, having Jason's real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III, killed. Jason (his Greek name) then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God where Antiochus then sacrificed a pig unto Zeus on the Altar of God. Jason then MANDATED that all Jews become Hellenized, like he was, he wanted them to take on the Greek culture, to serve Greek gods, to partake in their evil ways, in which the men all gathered at Gymnasiums naked (weirdos like today) and played sports in the buff etc. etc. etc. This led to the Maccabean Revolt. 

So, we have a past incidence that shows us what is going to happen in the future, we just have to dig it out of the history books and the book of Maccabeans. The Anti-Christ will not be allowed to go forth conquering until the 1260, the AoD happens 30 days before that, at the 1290, thus the Jews have 30 days to flee Judea. 

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

In Daniel 12:1-2 we find this time of great distress taking place at the same time Daniels people are delivered and many of those in the dust of the earth awake. (the resurection).

Correct, this is END TIME EVENTS. The last 1260 days is the Greatest Troubles ever seen.

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

Obviously he does destroy many and has the weapons to do so. It is written that on the day of the Lord when the resurection takes place as in Daniel 12:2,that the heavens will burn with a fervent heat and the elements shall be melted. As you know, the norths militaries have an object which causes desolation and that same object causes the heavens to burn with a fervent heat and the elements melt. In zech 14 we find the exact same time frame being discussed. Those who are in Judea are fleeing just as Jesus said in the gospel and the Lord stands upon the Mt of olives. It is written in Zech 14 that the nations which came against Jerusalem will suffer a plague in which thier flesh, eyes, tongues shall be consumed while they are standing upon thier feet. This plague also can be caused by the abomination that causes desolation which the armed forces place in Jerusalem. 

The Heavens do not burn at this time, the DOTL is not just the 1260 days of Wrath but Jesus' 1000 year reign, so yes, on the DOTL, Jesus will eventually resurrect the Wicked also after a 1000 years, and they will all burn in and on this planet, along with the Demons forever and ever, this is why I think the Earth is HELL. Satan (LOL) wins his prize. We indeed see Israel fleeing Judea at Zechariah 13:8-9, just before the DOTL as seen in Zechariah 14:1-2...BUT, in Zechariah 14:3-4 on we see Jesus shows up 3.5 years after Jerusalem is sacked in verse 2.

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

All this is to take place in Israel. Now we know from various books in the Bible that the nations close to Israel are the nations that attack Israel and those nations are destroyed. Daniel even shows the king of the north invading the middle east at the time of the end and that is where his fury is vented. 

You kind of conflate these nations. Its not THESE NATIONS against Israel, it is the E.U. against THESE NATIONS in the Middle East who are at peace with Israel at that time, the E.U. (King of the North) will conquer (See Daniel 8:9) FROM the Northwest or TOWARDS the East, The South and Israel !! So, he conquers From the Greece/Europe area, hes born in Greece, and comes to power in the E.U. (Dan. 7:7-8). He thus will conquer Turkey (Seleucid) and Egypt (Ptolomey) and Israel, as Dan. 11:40-43 shows, he conquers MANY COUNTRIES, not just Israel. He will not be allowed to conquer Moab, Ammon and Edom, that is where the Jews flee unto in the Petra/Bozrah region !!

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (He is NOT ALLOWED to conquer the Petra/Bozrah area).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. (He conquers ALL of North Africa)

So, these nations are not coming against Israel, they are being conquered by the Anti Christ also. 

The Roman Beast and his son the E.U. Notice AFTER the E.U. conquers Israel and THE MANY Nations they look exactly alike on a map !!

The E.U. currently has 7 Year Agreements with all of the Nations in brown  via the ENP, or European Neighborhood Policy agreement, look it up on Wikipedia. Now, can we understand who THE MANY are better? Yes, they are Israel and THESE Nations in brown above. Now RETHINK..........THE MANY....when you see it.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(Rev. 13:5-7): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand(Jesus merely speaks victory).

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Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is from Wikipedia:

The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. The countries covered are Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South.

Funding: from the ENPI via ENI to NDICI

Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, were the two main principles underlying the European Neighborhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014 and was merged in 2021 into Global Europe.[5] It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programs and replaced The earlier European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.

Notice, it ran in 7 year cycles, from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020 (it used to say 2020) and then it CHANGED again in 2021. 

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So, the above are THE MANY spoken of in Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 AND in Dan. 11:40-43, the MANY COUNTRIES who get conquered, its not Israel against her immediate neighbors, it is the Anti-Christ against the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. That is who the E.U. transforms into, Rome II which covers EVERY SQUARE INCH of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline !!

Papa Rome..............Meet your son, Rome II.

The Psalm 83 Wars happened from 1948-2010ish, then Iran brought Israel in alliance with her immediate neighbors, that is why she will have "NO WALLS" which just means she is at peace with her immediate neighbors. The End Time Anti-Christ is an E.U. President that conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. You guys are getting a first look at future events via God's blessing on me. It is my calling, my gift from God.

On 9/19/2022 at 9:25 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

So for those of you who are thinking its the end of the world, I hate to let you down. That war is about 1000 years after the great tribulation (distress) spoken of by Jesus and Daniel. It's only the beasts kingdom (middle east) that's going to be destroyed this go round. 

 

Yes, its not the end, Jesus will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. God Bless.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Revelation Man

[Shilohsfoal]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Its not "CAUSED" by the AoD per se, that's simply a by product of the evil times. Remember, two things happen at the exact same time, they TAKE AWAY.......THE SACRIFICE (which is Jesus, they forbid Jesus worship in the Temple of God) AND.........they then place the AoD, but who is they? And what is the AoD? Well, they are Israeli leaders, led by the False Prophet High Priest, who forbids Jesus Worship in the temple for sure and maybe nationwide, AFTER Israel repents at the 1335, which is 1335 days before the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS (Dan. 12:6-12) Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. We se this repentance in Zechariah 13:8-9/14:1 and in Malachi 4:5-6, just before the DOTL (God's Wrath) falls at the 1260 middle of the week events. 

Nope, its placed by the False Prophet, read Rev. 13, who places THE IMAGE ? The False Prophet. After Israel joins the E.U. which is the "Covenant" seen in Dan. 9:27, this False Prophet/High Priest throws in with the E.U. President, especially after 5 million Jews ?(1/3 as Zechariah 13:8-9 says) repent and start worshiping Jesus, he MANDATES no Jesus Worship, and he then places an Image of the E.U. President in the Temple of God. Now, look back in history, God always gives us a SIGN in History of things to come. Do you think its a coincidence that we go straight from Antiochus Epiphanes (Dan. 11:21-34) to the End Time Anti-Christ in Dan. 11:36-45? 

Antiochus placed a man named Jason (real name Yeshua) as the High Priest, having Jason's real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III, killed. Jason (his Greek name) then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God where Antiochus then sacrificed a pig unto Zeus on the Altar of God. Jason then MANDATED that all Jews become Hellenized, like he was, he wanted them to take on the Greek culture, to serve Greek gods, to partake in their evil ways, in  which the men all gathered at Gymnasiums naked (weirdos like today) and played sports in the buff etc. etc. etc. This led to the Maccabean Revolt. 

So, we have a past incidence that shows us what is going to happen in the future, we just have to dig it out of the history books and the book of Maccabeans. The Anti-Christ will not be allowed to go forth conquering unto the 1260, the AoD happens 30 days before that, at the 1290, thus the Jews have 30 days to flee Judea. 

Correct, this is END TIME EVENTS. The last 1260 days is the Greatest Troubles ever seen.

The Heavens do not burn at this time, the DOTL is not just the 1260 days of Wrath but Jesus' 1000 year reign, so yes, on the DOTL, Jesus will eventually resurrect the Wicked also after a 1000 years,. and they will all burn in this planet, along with the Demons forever and ever, this is why I think the Earth is HELL. Satan (LOL) wins his prize. We indeed see Israel fleeing Judea at Zechariah 13:8-9, just before the DOTL as seen in Zechariah 14:1-2...BUT, in Zechariah 14:3-4 on we see Jesus shows up 3.5 years after Jerusalem is sacked in verse 2.

You kind of conflate these nations. Its not THESE NATIONS against Israel, it is the E.U. against THESE NATIONS in the Middle East who are at peace with Israel at that time, the E.U. (King of the North) will conquer (See Daniel 8:9) FROM the Northwest or TOWARDS the East, The South and Israel !! So, he conquers From the Greece/Europe area, hes born in Greece, and comes to power in the E.U. (Dan. 7:7-8). He thus will conquer Turkey (Seleucid) and Egypt (Ptolomey) and Israel, as Dan. 11:40-43 shows, he conquers MANY COUNTRIES, not just Israel. He will not be allowed to conquer Moab, Ammon and Edom, that is where the Jews flee unto in the Petra/Bozrah region !!

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon (He is NOT ALLOWED to conquer the Petra/Bozrah area).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. (He conquers ALL of North Africa)

So, these nations are not coming against Israel, they are being conquered by the Anti Christ also. 

The Roman Beast and his son the E.U. Notice AFTER the E.U. conquers Israel and THE MANY Nations they look exactly alike on a map !!

The E.U. currently has 7 Year Agreements with all of the Nations in brown  via the ENP, or European Neighborhood Policy agreement, look it up on Wikipedia. Now, can we understand who THE MANY are better? Yes, they are Israel and THESE Nations in brown above. Now RETHINK..........THE MANY....when you see it.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(Rev. 13:5-7): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand(Jesus merely speaks victory).

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Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is from Wikipedia:

The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. The countries covered are Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South.

Funding: from the ENPI via ENI to NDICI

Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, were the two main principles underlying the European Neighborhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014 and was merged in 2021 into Global Europe.[5] It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programs and replaced The earlier European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.

Notice, it ran in 7 year cycles, from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020 (it used to say 2020) and then it CHANGED again in 2021. 

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So, the above are THE MANY spoken of in Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 AND in Dan. 11:40-43, the MANY COUNTRIES who get conquered, its not Israel against her immediate neighbors, it s the Anti-Christ against the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. That is who the E.U. transforms into Rome II which covers EVERY SQUARE INCH of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline !!

Papa Rome..............Meet your son, Rome II.

The Psalm 83 Wars happened from 1948-2010ish, then Iran brought Israel in alliance with her immediate neighbors, that is why she will have "NO WALLS" which just means she is at peace with her immediate neighbors. The End Time Anti-Christ is an E.UU. President that conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. You guys are getting a first look at future events via God's blessing on me. It is my calling, my gift from God.

Yes, its not the end, Jesus will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. God Bless.

You wrote alot but it's not worth reading. You failed when you said the daily sacrifice is abolished the same time the abomination that causes desolation is placed. There happens to be 1290 between the day the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up. 

 

I didn't bother reading anymore past your first paragraph when you got that wrong. 

 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

 

From the time the daily sacrifice is abolished, and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-12.htm

 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the 1335 days. 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

13 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You wrote alot but it's not worth reading. You failed when you said the daily sacrifice is abolished the same time the abomination that causes desolation is placed. There happens to be 1290 between the day the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up. 

 

I am correct, and you will see so very soon. You will then understand you are in  way above your head. God's first words will be why do you not listen. You will have no excuse. 

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am correct, and you will see so very soon. You will then understand you are in  way above your head. God's first words will be why do you not listen. You will have no excuse. 

It doesn't really matter if anyone in the United States understands anything about the daily sacrifice being abolished in Israel or even when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem. 

It won't affect people in the US like it would Israel. The US nuked Hiroshima and it didn't affect hardly anyone outside Japan. Life will go on. 

[kenny2212]

On 10/3/2022 at 3:01 AM, HAZARD said:

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark
of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.
The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign
of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up
yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).






 

But you do agree only believers will enter the millennium? (Matthew 25:31-46)

Edited October 6, 2022 by kenny2212

[HAZARD]

8 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

But you do agree only believers will enter the millennium? (Matthew 25:31-46)

No.