Age of Accountability

[amazingrace]

Ah...was there a comment on baptism here somewhere?

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If there was, I missed it. But then, I miss a lot of stuff

[Ovedya]

the age of "account"ability, is JUST THAT---

an age, in which God knows an individual will be held ACCOUNTABLE---based on knowledge----not based on position.

the position---of an infant---is DEATH.

they are still---BORN INTO ADAMIC SIN

which is the MAIN REASON--why we should be fighting abortion..

WE should WANT---our children to have the chance and acknowledge----they are a sinner so they can repent...

the position, of an infant, is such they dont have the capacity to REPENT---

which is absolutely necessary---for the atonement of Jesus to wash their adamic sin away....

ALL---sin must be atoned for--

the book of leviticus covers NOTHING BUT SINS OF IGNORANCE!

we must confess Jesus Christ as Lord, to be saved, and believe God raised him from the dead---in order to be JUSTIFIED...

sancitified---is NOT enough.

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Mark, I am very glad that is only your opinion, and not God's.

Just as David expressed his certainty of seeing his infant son again, I have every hope of being reunited with my children.

II Samuel 12:22 "But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."

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well hey---ask for a franchise to the nearest Family Planning clinic,

everyone who believes as you can show up with party hats, cause thats one more soul for heaven.

David referred to his PHYSICAL BODY----hellooo

his body would see death, as did the baby.

that passage had and still has, zero allusions to eternity.

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The sarcasm here isn't necessary.

[Ovedya]

and neither is false understanding, than referring to doctrine as opinion.

and that is THE REASON---soft hearted, warm fuzzies have no place behind the pulpit when it comes to these topics.

they deal with the most important basic, a human soul.

patting someones behind and saying its ok, I understand, never got one soul into glory.

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Quite the contrary. God desires and expects much more:

"Love one another warmly in brotherly love; take the lead in showing honor one to another...Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another, not setting your mind on high things but going along with the lowly; do not be wise in yourselves. Repay no one evil for evil; take forethought for things honorable in the sight of all men. If possible, as far as it depends on you, live in peace with all men." (Rom. 12:10; 15-18, emphasis added).

[amazingrace]

David referred to his PHYSICAL BODY----hellooo

his body would see death, as did the  baby.

that passage had and still has, zero allusions to eternity.

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Mark, better Bible scholars than you would disagree. Here are the words of Matthew Henry:

[II Sam 12:23 "Now, wherefore should I fast?"

Two things checked his grief:--

1. "I cannot bring him back again"; and again: "He shall not return to me."

Those that are dead are out of the reach of prayer; nor can our tears profit them.

2. "I shall go to him."

Firstly, to him to the grave. Note, The consideration of our own death should moderate our sorrow at the death of our relations.

Secondly, To him to heaven, to a state of blessedness which even the Old Testament saints had some expectation of. This may comfort us when our children are removed from us by death, they are better provided for, both in work and wealth, than they ever could have been in this world. We shall be with them shortly, to part no more. ]

This is all I have to say about this.

[Guest parousia2]

It is not specified that there even is an age of accountability... at least not that I'm aware of.

All I can find on the subject is that children of believers are sanctified (holy) whereas the children of unbelieving parents are unholy.

1Co 7:14  For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; else your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

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Dear Trust and Obey, 1 Corinthians 7:14 is a favorite verse of pedobaptists who claim infants and children of believers fall under the covenant. The context of this verse, however, disputes that. Paul is addressing the issue of marriage between a believer and an unbeliever. It concerns the issue of whether a believing spouse should remain with an unbelieving spouse. The Corinthians seem to be concerned about whether they are living in sin and whether their children are illegitimate because they are married to unbelievers. Note that later, in 2 Corinthians, Paul strongly exhorts them not to marry an unbeliever and intentionally become unequally yoked. Here, however, he is telling them that in the eyes of God their already existing marriages are holy--the unbelieving spouse does not bring sin upon the believing spouse. There will be a lack of spiritual fellowship and communion between them but they are still a legitimate couple. The children also are "sanctified" (i.e. made legitimate) in God's eyes. This has nothing to do with the sanctification brought about in salvation. The unbelieving spouse is still an unbeliever and any unbelieving children are still unbelievers. But the couple is a legitimate couple and the children are not illegitimate.

[yomotalking]

God has mercy on the helplessly ignorant.

You think God on Judgement Day, is going to condemn a tiny baby, for not having the chance to repent from their......er...........

[Smalcald]

God has mercy on the helplessly ignorant.

You think God on Judgement Day, is going to condemn a tiny baby, for not having the chance to repent from their......er...........

[ruah brit]

I am seeking the collective knowledge of you all, A question was ask of me , where is the age of accountability specified in God's word ?

Then, in our discussion, the subject of the mental ability of the one witnessed to, and how does that effect how we witness to a person like that ?

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The age of accountability is specified through out the scriptures, in the Lords acts and judgments. For instance Sodom and Gomorrah and the destruction of Israel, many times. The judgment against the nations that Israel displaced after the roaming in the wilderness. And finally the judgments that occur daily as we proceed through time. No flesh is justified and can be called to account any moment. It is only by the Spirit of Christ that anyone is saved.

Luke 13

2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."

De 32

39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Denise

[Ovedya]

I am seeking the collective knowledge of you all, A question was ask of me , where is the age of accountability specified in God's word ?

Then, in our discussion, the subject of the mental ability of the one witnessed to, and how does that effect how we witness to a person like that ?

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The age of accountability is specified through out the scriptures, in the Lords acts and judgments. For instance Sodom and Gomorrah and the destruction of Israel, many times. The judgment against the nations that Israel displaced after the roaming in the wilderness. And finally the judgments that occur daily as we proceed through time. No flesh is justified and can be called to account any moment. It is only by the Spirit of Christ that anyone is saved.

Luke 13

2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."

De 32

39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Denise

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Don't you mean not specified?

[Guest rick crompton]

" For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. "

We, all from birth are dead in trespasses and sins because of the sin nature inherited through the corruption of Adam ( cf. Rom. 5:12 ; Eph. 2:1 )

The age of accountability is from birth. We cannot stretch this one to suit our sentimentality or what we would deem as fair. God is not required to be " fair. " He must punish sin and we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Yet there is an election according to God's foreknowledge and grace.

The Westminster Conmfession of Faith speaks to the matter of young children in the section on salvation. It refers to " elect infants " meaning that God may ordain such as have died before the actual commission of any sin to eternal ife or election of those who have sinned but not as through guile. This is highly subjective though and reflects my own thinking and not necessarily the thinking of the Westminster Divines or God's purposes.

We must leave this to the Lord. He shall that which is right.

Rick