"Faith Alone, brings us to our Salvation"

[NCAP]

19 minutes ago, Dirt Eaters said:

What do you mean by that ? Possessions? 

Well, if I own a pen, then that is one of my possessions. I would say: I have a pen. If I don't have a pen, then a pen is not one of my possessions.

What do you think any thought is except something you have?

[Dirt Eaters]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Of course!  I was just adding a scripture, DE.    Selah 

Oh thank you I'm not so used to having people be so agreeable. I tend to be a little defensive.

I have a lot of thoughts that go through my mind on a lot of different subjects, and I usually get people upset because it goes against their normal thinking. And I'm not trying to be argumentative but just trying to show things that I see that are missed.

[Dirt Eaters]

1 minute ago, NCAP said:

Well, if I own a pen, then that is one of my possessions. I would say: I have a pen. If I don't have a pen, then a pen is not one of my possessions.

What do you think any thought is except something you have?

Maybe I'm missing something in your words, are you asking if I have faith? I'm sorry to sound like a smart aleck but what do you think?

[NCAP]

2 minutes ago, Dirt Eaters said:

Maybe I'm missing something in your words, are you asking if I have faith? I'm sorry to sound like a smart aleck but what do you think?

Yes, that is what my original question was. Is faith alone one of your possessions?

And if you are saved by faith alone, then are you not saved by one of your possessions alone?

[Dirt Eaters]

1 minute ago, NCAP said:

Yes, that is what my original question was. Is faith alone one of your possessions?

And if you are saved by faith alone, then are you not saved by one of your possessions alone?

I spent almost 2 years learning about Christianity and coming out of my old lifestyle. Primarily it was because of people like my brother's friend that never asked for one thing from me and yet help me repeatedly on very high spiritual level things. He never questioned he never condemned and I was amazed that someone would do that for me.

He constantly talked about God and how God loved me for me.

Faith was a slow thing for me. But on one eventful day, on a special day I had set aside and it rained and I got angry with God because of the rain. And I yelled at Him because of it. it took me a year to scrape up enough money to take my nieces and nephews to a beautiful amusement and water park. And the forcast was supposed to be sunny ) I yelled at God saying "Bill B. says that you are real and care about everything i do. I don't care if it rains before and after so long as it didn't rain while we were there."

After entering the amusement park I forgot what I had said. The sun came out and it was beautiful. 

We were leaving and as soon as I stepped outside of the amusement park it's like a waterfall came down on my head. And then I remembered what I had said. I felt like I was 2 in tall.

That experience changed me completely. I know I have faith and I know that God loves me for who I am

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Dirt Eaters said:

But as Paul states, faith alone is like a gong in the wind. 

So what is missing.

We are saved by grace through faith. Without faith there is no conduit or channel for God's Grace to reach us. Notice in the following golden Scriptures that works, and boasting of them, are not the criteria by which God grants salvation.

Eph 2:4-10  But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us,  (5)  even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),  (6)  and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,  (7)  that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus;  (8)  for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,  (9)  not of works, that no one would boast.  (10)  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.

Good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root of it.

When James wrote that faith without works is dead, he was not contradicting the statement in Paul's letter to the Ephesians above but addressing the misconception that faith in Christ can survive and stay alive without any of the fruitful activities (good works) that accompany living and walking by faith in Christ.   

Jas 2:17  Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself.

The excellent way of love described in 1 Corinthians 13 also points to the fruit of salvation rather than the root of it, with love being the first-mentioned manifestation of the Holy Spirit within believers who continue to have faith in Christ alone and therefore continue to be blessed by God's Gift of Grace. (See Galatians 5:22-23)

If God's Grace was something we had to work for it wouldn't be a Gift.

[Dirt Eaters]

19 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

We are saved by grace through faith. Without faith there is no conduit or channel for God's Grace to reach us. Notice in the following golden Scriptures that works, and boasting of them, are not the criteria by which God grants salvation.

Eph 2:4-10  But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us,  (5)  even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),  (6)  and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,  (7)  that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus;  (8)  for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,  (9)  not of works, that no one would boast.  (10)  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.

Good works are the fruit of salvation, not the root of it.

When James wrote that faith without works is dead, he was not contradicting the statement in Paul's letter to the Ephesians above but addressing the misconception that faith in Christ can survive and stay alive without any of the fruitful activities (good works) that accompany living and walking by faith in Christ.   

Jas 2:17  Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself.

The excellent way of love described in 1 Corinthians 13 also points to the fruit of salvation rather than the root of it, with love being the first-mentioned manifestation of the Holy Spirit within believers who continue to have faith in Christ alone and therefore continue to be blessed by God's Gift of Grace. (See Galatians 5:22-23)

If God's Grace was something we had to work for it wouldn't be a Gift.

I think you are missing the point i was trying to make. 

Our ' Salvation ' is Jesus, not Heaven. Heaven is just a place.

If Salvation is Heaven , then we worship heaven and not Jesus.

So when we say, by Jesus we are saved, it is because Faith brings us to Jesus. 

Now we have to recieve Jesus, and in doing that, we recieve love

[Michael37]

On 9/25/2022 at 5:30 PM, Dirt Eaters said:

I think you are missing the point i was trying to make. 

Our ' Salvation ' is Jesus, not Heaven. Heaven is just a place.

If Salvation is Heaven , then we worship heaven and not Jesus.

So when we say, by Jesus we are saved, it is because Faith brings us to Jesus. 

Now we have to recieve Jesus, and in doing that, we recieve love

Hi DE,

Did I suggest or imply anything other than what is in the Worthy Christian Forums "Statement of Faith"?

No, I didn't, so please don't resort to strawman fallacies.

The point is whether users of Worthy Christian Forums accept the Statement of Faith which reads as follows:

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We believe that salvation is a gift received by faith alone, in Messiah alone, and is expressed in the individual’s recognition and repentance of sin, and the acceptance of the risen Messiah as Saviour, Lord and God.

If you are assigned to the Non-Conformist Theology section your threads and posts will only be viewed and responded to by moderators. 

On 12/26/2018 at 9:18 AM, George said:

Shalom everyone,

I'm splitting off permissions so that those who are Non-Conformists cannot see or even post in the Outer Court Discussion forum.  

So those assigned to Non Trinitarian, Non Confrmists are not interfering with witnessing in the Outer Court.  

The Outer Court will only be viewable and replyable by Worthy Ministers.

So basically I'll be adding more people to become Worthy Ministers to help off set the load of keeping up with those conversations.

Please feel free to ask questions or give some input as this is all a work on progress.

God bless

George