Asking—Please help with this

[We Overcome]

Hi Saints - Thank you for your comments. I'm sorry, this is written to be discrete. It is a very serious matter and just happened in August 3rd in a church of some wonderful people. A woman who is not a member has caused confusion in this church and is not there for Jesus, and does not drive or ever go to the church. The woman is on the prayer line and has deceived the prayer line pastor against a member who invited her to the prayer line. The member has been there for over 20 years who has never been involved with any negativity whatsoever. The woman who invited her repented due to feeling guilty by association and the prayer line pastor who is sinful, judged the member of the church and sided with the woman who keeps asking the member who invited her to forgive her and she does and then she does something else. It kept repeating itself. Now the prayer line pastor does not know the backstory and is only going off what the visitor is telling him.  The member has not been in communication with the woman since 2020 after inviting her, and totally separated herself. She cared nothing about the woman being on the prayer line but did not expect her to start speaking evil against her and causing confusion. The prayer line pastor egged this on this on and does not know the woman has been constantly following and bothering the member. He doesn't know the backstory and has accused the member because the member asked the church to forgive her for this happening as a result of inviting this woman. He feels like she is rejecting the woman. He has no right and is hiding his own sin. He is accusing the member of the temptation of not forgiving the visiting woman. Yet he has no idea of all of the written responses of forgiveness in text responses. The member just refuses to be entangled with the visitor in any conversation, etc. The member has all proof of communication with the visiting woman. The prayer line pastor has spread this around the church and he has shunned the member, who has been silent and has not talked about it at church. It has come from him. The member is planning to speak with the pastor of the church and will show him all of the communication which has been all by text with the visiting woman. The prayer line pastor has caused gossiping. The prayer line pastor should have corrected this woman instead of giving her a license. He was told that Paul and Barnabas went their ways and it was fine. Yet he told the member days before this happened about wanting to leave his wife. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. The member is not someone who goes after sin. How can he be judging the member??? The messages preached in the church have all be around this repentance of the member. The member is seeking vendication of the Lord. He should have told her to go to her church which is 2.5 hours away. She has not been in church in 10 years.

 

Psalm 43:1 Judge me, O God, and plead my cause against an ungodly nation: O deliver me from the deceitful and unjust man.

Exodus 23:1-3

1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.

2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

3 Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause.

 

Zephaniah 3:5

The just Lord is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.

Isaiah 26:10

Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.

 

Dear kwikphilly - I'm sorry. I will not add another video link.

 

[com7fy8]

@We Overcome > yes, that's wrong. But you can keep your attention with Jesus and prayer and always you can do what is good. 

There always will be wrong people and ones being fooled. So, do not let this get the better of you or control your attention, but stay attentive to God and discover what He has you doing with Him in His peace > 

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

If we pray the way God has us praying > 

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Philippians 4:6-7)

So, beware of letting wrong people control your mind's attention so your mind is not safe and sound in God's peace! God's peace will guard your mind while you pray the way Philippians 4:6-7 says to pray, and "first of all" how 1 Timothy 2:1-4 says to pray and for what.

And evaluate if this is a functional church. You do not need to be where things stay wrong and no one has authority to correct things. This can keep you with an excuse to look at what is wrong with others, instead of getting the real correction and maturity you need.

Do you have people there who feed you their good example of how to live with God and love any and all people like Jesus wants?

If wrong stuff is getting your attention more than God's word and submitting to God and praying with hope for wrong people, then your real problem is how you are letting your attention be tricked to where your attention doesn't belong!

[We Overcome]

Praying for direction. Jesus said if the spirit of the ruler rises against thee, leave not thy place for yielding pacifies great offenses. Not sure what they offense has been. The Lords divine intervention is greatly necessary. When the Lord if your entire life and you seek him intensely every day. Please tell me is it really wrong to confess to the body of Christ that your heart is grieved because of someone who is draining you and not Christlike and you choose to separate yourself. How is saying the following considered falling into temptation? How is it cursing? How does Galatians 5:20 apply here? It is a repentance for guilt by association based on the sinful actions against you by the person you brought in. Prayer is communicating with God. How do you cause confusion when you are not even a member? This was a snare, a trap, and it pulled in so many from church into it, and you've never had an issue with them. Lord, please help. Please. This is all that was said. It wasn't planned.

'Pastor, I love Jesus with all my heart. I love my brothers and sisters in this congregation in which he as positioned me. In the sincere intent of soul winning, I caused some things to transpire. I REPENT! I ask the church family to forgive me. I trust Jesus, because the church belongs to him. I believe Pastor dealt with it in last Friday’s prayer by the spirit of God. Pastor, I pray the Lord would expose the truth. I am not walking in fear. I ask the Lord to forgive me and lead me by His spirit, and always cause me to walk in His ways. I'm sorry.'

[com7fy8]

51 minutes ago, We Overcome said:

How do you cause confusion when you are not even a member? This was a snare, a trap, and it pulled in so many from church into it, 

You say "so many" fell for this.

You do not say that "all" were fooled.

You can make sure you know which ones were not fooled, in case there are any wise ones who knew better than to believe her; and share with these people. I mean if they are examples of how Jesus has us loving > there are scriptures which tell us how to love, so Satanic people can't get us into confusion and unforgiveness and bitterness. For one example, we have >

Ephesians 4:31-32 >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

If we know the voice of Jesus, we can tell if someone is representing Him. So, in case they could be fooled by a wrong person and keep on in their mess, they possibly do not know the voice of Jesus our Shepherd > see John chapter 10:1-30. But you can share with them and offer how God's word says to love and forgive, and they could hear Jesus' voice through you since you care about them.

Jesus does not have us becoming unforgiving and just giving up on people. So, in case people instantly believed a bad report, and did not make sure about it, but just gave up on a person . . . this can mean they do not know how Jesus has us love. And so it is their fault that they were so ready and available for a Satanic person to fool them!

But don't you give up on them!  Make sure you have hope for them > love "hopes all things," we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7.

Find out who is not fooled by this, if anyone is not. And check with your pastor to see if he is aware of this and wise to this. 

And if you discover ones who are wise to this, be encouraged with each other, bless one another, and pray so you are united and doing the good which God has you doing. What God has you do will bring His good, however He pleases.

May I give you some reading to do?

1 Samuel chapter 30 > this shows how David suffered a horrible loss and what worked with God so things got so better.

Edited November 2, 2022 by com7fy8

[We Overcome]

Thank you, com7fy8

For your wisdom and insight.  I will study 1 Samuel chapter 30.

I love you!

[com7fy8]

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