Starise Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 280 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,134 Content Per Day: 9.62 Reputation: 13,698 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Online Share Posted December 12, 2022 Unless the people named are fictional. Differing views on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_man_and_Lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 3,183 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: Because this also inform us that man did not have a Heavenly Inheritance till the time of the judgment of Jesus Christ by the Heavenly Father while Jesus was in the place of the dead at the exact time when he raised him from the dead and found him worthy to received the Heaven for his Inheritance and not only for him but also for his children... So you believe that there was a “judgement of Jesus Christ by the Heavenly Father?” And do you believe that God raised Jesus from the dead and found Him worthy to receive Heaven? Can you provide scriptures that say this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 3,183 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: God Separated Abraham from the rest of the world after his death and he gave him his own place of Inheritance in the underworld. The most critical word is the word "in the underworld". What is the underworld? Scripture please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 3,183 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: The Heavenly Inheritance for man begins with Jesus Christ...he was the first one, the first man to inherit Heave. He like Abraham was the new Patriarch of the people of the Nation of God... Scripture please. Jesus was not just a man and He was never a patriarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,994 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.74 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Vine Abider said: Regenerated believers are told they will be with the Lord when they leave this mortal tent, so is this heaven or some other temporary place? And ultimately we will be with Him in the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven to the earth, right? Please provide specific verses. When a person dies and they are a genuine born again believer their soul goes to heaven. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. When and unbeliever dies their soul goes to Hades which is a temporary holding place until the Great White Throne judgment. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. In the rapture of the Church all born again believers will go to heaven. All the unbelievers will go into the 7 year tribulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,507 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: When a person dies and they are a genuine born again believer their soul goes to heaven. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. When and unbeliever dies their soul goes to Hades which is a temporary holding place until the Great White Throne judgment. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. In the rapture of the Church all born again believers will go to heaven. All the unbelievers will go into the 7 year tribulation. Thanks. I'm more interested in what happens with believers at this point. Where/when does the Bema Seat of Christ occur for the judgment of believers' works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,905 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,783 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, missmuffet said: When a person dies and they are a genuine born again believer their soul goes to heaven. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. When and unbeliever dies their soul goes to Hades which is a temporary holding place until the Great White Throne judgment. Their body stays in the grave until their resurrection. In the rapture of the Church all born again believers will go to heaven. All the unbelievers will go into the 7 year tribulation. There body stays in the grave...where in the scriptures it says that the worms are deprived from their feast or that the beast of the air the cultures are prohibited from feasting on the dead carcass of man or woman for that matter. Or that cannibalism has never happened... Edited December 12, 2022 by Your closest friendnt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,507 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 So here's the overall picture I'm getting for where believers go immediately & ultimately when the body dies: 1. To be with Christ in paradise and will be conscious (is this heaven or the good part of hades/paradise?) 2. The Bema Seat occurs and rewards given for things done in the body 3. Participation with Christ in the kingdom (dependent on rewards from Bema) 4. Lives with Christ in the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,905 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,783 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2022 @Vine Abider What is it that you do not get in my posting I would like to know because I try to be responsive for what I post and distinguish the teachings of Jesus to his disciples and the commandments he gave them and one of the specific commandments is to not teach the people from what he has taught them and what he will continue to teach them and not to teach the believers in him what they were thought before they had met him or what the different groups within Judaism were teaching.. Is your inquiries within Jesus teachings? Without judgment is your firm questions part of the teachings of men and their attempt to figure out something they read in the book of revelation.... Why do you Judge and separate and divide and group the people, as this is a discussion between the members of the specific group who have agree not to examine the credibility of the prerequisite statements as we all agree on this or on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted December 12, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,507 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: 9 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: @Vine Abider What is it that you do not get in my posting I would like to know because I try to be responsive for what I post and distinguish the teachings of Jesus to his disciples and the commandments he gave them and one of the specific commandments is to not teach the people from what he has taught them and what he will continue to teach them and not to teach the believers in him what they were thought before they had met him or what the different groups within Judaism were teaching.. Is your inquiries within Jesus teachings? Without judgment is your firm questions part of the teachings of men and their attempt to figure out something they read in the book of revelation.... Why do you Judge and separate and divide and group the people, as this is a discussion between the members of the specific group who have agree not to examine the credibility of the prerequisite statements as we all agree on this or on that... 28 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: There body stays in the grave...where in the scriptures it says that the works are deprived from their feast or that the beast of the air the cultures are prohibited from feasting on the dead carcass of man or woman for that matter. Or that cannibalism has never happened... I'm having a hard time figuring our where cannibalism or dead carcasses enters the picture . . . how it relates at all? Edited December 12, 2022 by Vine Abider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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