New Jerusalem - Order of Events

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The courts of law passing judgment.  

Shalom, DeighAnn.

Yes, Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") the Messiah of God will be the Supreme Court Judge! And, the kings below Him will be judges that are like state supreme court judges, each a final authority within their judgment district. They will escalate some matters to the Messiah, but they will handle the lesser matters.

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Ok.  When Christ comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, when He leaves the right hand of the Father and His throne in heaven to come rule with a rod of Iron upon the earth, GOD ALMIGHTY will not be here on earth.  

Sorry, but YHWH God El Shadday is NOT restricted ANYWHERE! He is OMNIPRESENT! There is NOWHERE where He is NOT! He will be here with His Son!

Psalm 2 is a good example:

Psalm 2:1-12 (KJV)

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD (Hebrew: YHWH, God's Covenant Name), and against his Anointed (Hebrew: Mshiychow = "His-Messiah"), saying,

3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us!"

4 He that sitteth in the heavens (Hebrew: YHWH) shall laugh (Hebrew: yitschaaq = laugh-out-loud!): the Lord (Hebrew: 'Adownaay = "my-Lord") shall have them in derision (Hebrew: yil`ag-laamow = "shall-scoff at-them").

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure!

6 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion! 7 I will declare the decree:

"'the LORD hath said unto me,
"'"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel."'

10 "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth! 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling! 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little! Blessed are all they that put their trust in him!"

They're probably holding a "secret" U.N. meeting, and all of a sudden, they hear LOUD LAUGHTER at what they are saying! And, the Messiah (the Lord) is also there and mocks them! "Oh, boo hoo! 'Let's break their bands, and throw off their chains!'"

Then, YHWH God SPEAKS TO THEM AUDIBLY! Do you think they're cowering, yet? You'd better believe it!

Also, if you check the records, it is the FATHER who is "King of kings and Lord of lords!" Yeeshuwa` is His MESSIAH' that is, He is His Son, His Anointed One, the One He has Selected to be His Representative King!

Remember: While Yeeshuwa` was here during His First Advent, He always ran EVERYTHING past His Father to check what He should do! His Second Advent will be no different!

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

CHRIST comes to sit upon the Throne of David on earth.  GODS throne doesn't come unto the earth until the end for the GWTJ when all evil is burnt up for God is a consuming fire.  

Well, His "Tent" with His throne in it doesn't come to the earth until after the GWTJ; you're right.

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHO do you imagine this HE is that delivers up the kingdom?

1 Corinthians 15

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

It comes at the end of the 1000 years of Christ ruling with a rod of Iron.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

That comes at the GWTJ

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Well said!

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

This is the millennial TEMPLE.  This is where we will rule and reign with Christ for the Lords Day.  AND outside are dogs, sorcerers.....and it is why Jesus will rule with a rod of Iron.  And a time when the temple priests who serve the Lord will not be allowed to approach any DEAD person, except for family.  AKA 'the DEAD who were raised out from the dead when Christ returned and the DEAD who will stand in judgment before death hell and the sea give up the rest of the DEAD at the end.

Were these YOUR words?! It sound more like you're quoting Joe. That's something he would say.

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

And the size of that is 1/7 bigger than Solomons Temple Eze 40

2In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.

3And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.

4And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

5And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man's hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.

6Then came he unto the gate which looketh toward the east, and went up the stairs thereof, and measured the threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad; and the other threshold of the gate, which was one reed broad.

7And every little chamber was one reed long, and one reed broad; and between the little chambers were five cubits; and the threshold of the gate by the porch of the gate within was one reed.

  


BUT THE NEW JERUSALEM, the one that comes down out of heaven upon the NEW HEAVEN and New earth in which there IS no sea and no more death or tears or sorrow etc, and ALL THE FORMER THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY
 

Rev 21

9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.



1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

But that doesn't happen when the Day of Vengeance comes upon those who dwell upon the earth.

There are years of burning weapons and burying bones ect.  Satan, DEATH, hell are still a part of this earth age


but in the NEW

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

If it were at the beginning of the millennium, ALL these things would be present.  If it were anytime before the GWTJ all these things would be present

This is all well said!

[JoeCanada]

20 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Let's see where we differ in the basics.

Hi DA,

I will answer but give me a bit of time....

[JoeCanada]

18 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

You say...."Christ leaves heaven after all enemies made his foot stool"

I can't agree with this. Christ leaves heaven at the resurrection/rapture which is the Second Coming. 

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You say...."Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;

when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

How can any of this be truth if it takes place at the beginning? 

These things DON'T happen at the beginning. That is why they can't have happened by the Second Coming! The Second Coming INITIATES the putting down of all rule and all authority and all power! However, Yeeshuwa`,  WHEN HE RETURNS, does NOT bring the New Jerusalem with Him! He must prepare the earth for its coming!

You say....." He must prepare the earth for its (New Jerusalem) coming.

Jesus does prepare the earth for its coming.

Just look at the devestation and raising and flattening of the earth during the seal, trumpet and bowl judgments.

6th seal ... great earthquake, stars of the sky fall to the erth, the sky split apart, and every mountain and island were moved out of their place

1st trumpet - earthquake, hail and fire mixed with blood, 1/3 of the earth burned up, and 1/3 of the trees and grasses burned up

2nd t- large meteor striking the sea, 1/3 of the sea bacame blood and 1/3 of creatures and ships destroyed... probably huge tsunamis destroying coastal ports and cities

2nd bowl... the sea became like blood and all living things in it perished

4th bowl ... intense sun.... scorch men with fire.... and the earth too

7th bowl ... lightening, thunder, and the greatest earthquake ever. Every island fled away and the mountains were not found. And 100 lb hailstones came down from heaven and flattened everything

100 lb hailstones.... about the size of a bike wheel.... 30 inches around..... it would hit the ground at about 300 miles per hour. They would flatten everything. Men would literally be flatter than a pancake

Each of the following passages give witness to the topographical changes that will occur at the end times.... with God's coming to earth, at the opening of the 6th seal

The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will ^[a]collapse and every wall will fall to the ground.... Ezekiel 38:20

I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills ^[a]moved to and fro.
 I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
 I looked, and behold, ^[b]the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.....Jeremiah 4:24-26

Mountains quake because of Him
And the hills dissolve;
Indeed the earth is upheaved by His presence,
The world and all the inhabitants in it.
 Who can stand before His indignation?
Who can endure the burning of His anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire
And the rocks are broken up by Him.... Nahum 1:5-6

Behold, the Lord lays the earth waste, devastates it, distorts its surface and scatters its inhabitants. For the windows ^[c]above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
 The earth is broken asunder,
The earth is split through,
The earth is shaken violently.
 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard
And it totters like a ^[d]shack,
For its transgression is heavy upon it,
And it will fall, never to rise again.... Isaiah 24:1, 18-20

For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.
He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
 The mountains will melt under Him
And the valleys will be split,
Like wax before the fire,
Like water poured down a steep place.... Micah 1:3-4

“Let every valley be lifted up,
And every mountain and hill be made low;
And let the rough ground become a plain,
And the rugged terrain a broad valley;
Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”.... Isaiah 40:4-5

 

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

You say:.... This is the millennial TEMPLE.  This is where we will rule and reign with Christ for the Lords Day. 

 

Sorry, but I must disagree. The 'temple' is outside of the City of NJ.

Rev 21:22............ I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

I will do a drawing of what the whole allotment will look like, based on John's and Ezekiel's descriptions. 

Shalom, JoeCanada.

Sorry, brother, but you're going to be wasting your time. John's description is of the   Jerusalem, but Ezekiel's description is of a MUCH SMALLER Jerusalem that Yeeshuwa` will have rebuilt during the Millennium.

The two descriptions cannot mesh with each other because they are two entirely different cities! While there may be some similarities between the two descriptions, there are NOTABLE differences!

I've been trying to publish my book on the New Jerusalem for years now, but I just can't get out of "editing mode!"

Anyway, suffice it to say that I've studied this subject at GREAT lengths! Here's Ezekiel's description:

Ezekiel 47:13-49:35 (KJV)

13 Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions. 14 And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

15 "And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea, the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16 Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

18 "And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea. And this is the east side.

19 "And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

20 "The west side also shall be the great sea from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

21 "So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

1 "Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan. 

2 "And by the border of Dan, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher. 

3 "And by the border of Asher, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Naphtali. 

4 "And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Manasseh. 

5 "And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim. 

6 "And by the border of Ephraim, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Reuben. 

7 "And by the border of Reuben, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Judah.

8 "And by the border of Judah, from the east side unto the west side, shall be the offering which ye shall offer of five and twenty thousand reeds in breadth, and in length as one of the other parts, from the east side unto the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in the midst of it. 9 The oblation that ye shall offer unto the LORD shall be of five and twenty thousand in length, and of ten thousand in breadth. 10 And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation; toward the north five and twenty thousand in length, and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south five and twenty thousand in length: and the sanctuary of the LORD shall be in the midst thereof. 11 It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray. 12 And this oblation of the land that is offered shall be unto them a thing most holy by the border of the Levites. 

13 "And over against the border of the priests the Levites shall have five and twenty thousand in length, and ten thousand in breadth: all the length shall be five and twenty thousand, and the breadth ten thousand. 14 And they shall not sell of it, neither exchange, nor alienate the firstfruits of the land: for it is holy unto the LORD.

15 "And the five thousand, that are left in the breadth over against the five and twenty thousand, shall be a profane place for the city, for dwelling, and for suburbs: and the city shall be in the midst thereof. 16 And these shall be the measures thereof; the north side four thousand and five hundred, and the south side four thousand and five hundred, and on the east side four thousand and five hundred, and the west side four thousand and five hundred. 17 And the suburbs of the city shall be toward the north two hundred and fifty, and toward the south two hundred and fifty, and toward the east two hundred and fifty, and toward the west two hundred and fifty. 18 And the residue in length over against the oblation of the holy portion shall be ten thousand eastward, and ten thousand westward: and it shall be over against the oblation of the holy portion; and the increase thereof shall be for food unto them that serve the city. 19 And they that serve the city shall serve it out of all the tribes of Israel. 20 All the oblation shall be five and twenty thousand by five and twenty thousand: ye shall offer the holy oblation foursquare, with the possession of the city.

21 "And the residue shall be for the prince, on the one side and on the other of the holy oblation, and of the possession of the city, over against the five and twenty thousand of the oblation toward the east border, and westward over against the five and twenty thousand toward the west border, over against the portions for the prince: and it shall be the holy oblation; and the sanctuary of the house shall be in the midst thereof.

22 "Moreover from the possession of the Levites, and from the possession of the city, being in the midst of that which is the prince's, between the border of Judah and the border of Benjamin, shall be for the prince.

23 "As for the rest of the tribes, from the east side unto the west side, Benjamin shall have a portion. 

24 "And by the border of Benjamin, from the east side unto the west side, Simeon shall have a portion. 

25 "And by the border of Simeon, from the east side unto the west side, Issachar a portion. 

26 "And by the border of Issachar, from the east side unto the west side, Zebulun a portion. 

27 "And by the border of Zebulun, from the east side unto the west side, Gad a portion. 

28 "And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar unto the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

 29 "This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord GOD.

30 "And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel:
three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 

32 "And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 

33 "And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 

34 "At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 

35 "It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there. (Hebrew: YHWH-Shaamaah)."

Now, a few facts you should know: First, the map of the Holy Land as arranged in this text would have the top of the map being East, the right side being South, the bottom of the map would be West, and the left side would be North. The "great sea" is the Mediterranean Sea, and the "east sea" is the Dead Sea. Damascus is named along the northern border of the Land, and Kadesh and Tamar are mentioned along the southern border, and the wadi that goes to the Mediterranean Sea.

These measures put the city at about 1.49 miles wide by 1.49 miles long.

However, the description in Revelation 21:16 says,

Revelation 21:16 (KJV)

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Thus, this distance is 1,379-86/99 miles, using a stadion (Roman stadius, stad) of 607.14222 feet/stad. This is based on the Roman mile markers all around Europe and the Middle East.

That's a SIGNIFICANT difference between the sizes of these cities! They are NOT the same city!

[JoeCanada]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

These measures put the city at about 1.49 miles wide by 1.49 miles long.

However, the description in Revelation 21:16 says,

Revelation 21:16 (KJV)

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

Thus, this distance is 1,379-86/99 miles, using a stadion (Roman stadius, stad) of 607.14222 feet/stad.

Hi Roy.... 

Can you check these numbers please. They are not right

[DeighAnn]

23 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

You say:.... This is the millennial TEMPLE.  This is where we will rule and reign with Christ for the Lords Day. 

 

Sorry, but I must disagree. The 'temple' is outside of the City of NJ.

Rev 21:22............ I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

I will do a drawing of what the whole allotment will look like, based on John's and Ezekiel's descriptions. 

The New Jerusalem does not descend until AFTER the GWTJ takes place at the end of the millennium/1000 years

and UPON the New Heaven and New earth, (which I agree, is a new and better THIS EARTH) 

Can you show me anywhere it is written or even referred to BEFORE that point? 

The NEW Jerusalem does not have a temple, I agree. 

So ANY temple is of the millennium/the day of the Lord/1000 years. 



1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

BUT at the GWTJ we see '

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So we know NO SEA in the New Heaven and New Earth (NHNE)

but the SEA 'giving up the dead' at the end of the Lords Day at the GWTJ. 



ALSO
In the NHNE we see  4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


BUT at the GWTJ, after the sea gives up the dead in them '...and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them



The NHNE has no sea, no death, no hell, no LOF (former things passed away), no beast, no devil, no Satan, no one whos' name was not found in the book of life.

That is what is written, that is what I believe.

So since there is NO TEMPLE then no one trying to get in

7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

those there will have 'overcome', to overcome you have to be saved.


WHAT happens to all those like this?  8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



SO they have to be speaking to 'the millennium' age here, even though it is written after.  It is NOT written in chronological order, just needs to be rightly divided.
 

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


Do you agree?  if not why not?  and IF NOT how COULD it be any other way?



 

Edited December 23, 2022 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Each of the following passages give witness to the topographical changes that will occur at the end times.... with God's coming to earth, at the opening of the 6th seal

Do you believe Satan or Christ comes at the 6th seal? 

If you believe it is Christ who comes 'when the Sun puts on sackcloth', could I ask why? 

Why would the sun go into mourning when Christ comes?  Doesn't it seem more reasonable that the sun would put on sackcloth and the moon BLOOD when Satan is kicked out of heaven and comes to RULE IN DARKNESS for a short period?

If Christ comes at the 6th seal then WHAT are the souls under the altar waiting for, since that would mean 'there is no season for their 'fellowservants' to be killed as they were'.  DON'T the very words of those under the altar TELL US SATAN COMES next and not Jesus?  

If you look up the sun and the moon, you will find that the Sackcloth and blood in the moon COME BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD. 

What takes place ON the day of the Lord is very different.  


Have you given alot of thought to what happens?  WHEN does it take place?  At what seal?  

There is the deadly wound, an earthquake
There is the arrival of the two witnesses 
Satan heals the deadly wound
The image is set up
The angels' rule with him for an hour
He does what no one has done before him
He performs lying signs and wonders deceiving the whole world
There is the falling away/the daily sacrifice ceases
He stands where he ought, the whole world worshiping him as God
Time shortened or else even the elect would be fooled
He kills the two witnesses.  

The two realms begin to become one as the voice in heaven tells the witnesses to rise and takes them up and the world sees it.  THAT IS WHEN FEAR HITS.  THAT is when the BRIGHTNESS of Christ makes the 'sun look dull' by comparison.  

The 'dead/mark of the beast/unsaved' souls 'bodies die' as Christ comes in flaming fire, 7ooo immediately die (angels?) the feast for the birds, others into the winepress blood up to bridles, etc.



WHAT does the 'earthquake' when Christ's return LOOK LIKE?  The two witnesses rise up from the street...

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

THAT is what HIS EARTHQUAKE WILL BE LIKE.  Not some 'shaking' of the mountains (powers) of earth.



 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Roy.... 

Can you check these numbers please. They are not right

about 1,500 miles I think

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Roy.... 

Can you check these numbers please. They are not right

Shalom, JoeCanada.

The numbers are correct.

I've only been checking them since before college! LOL! 

12,000 stad x 607.14222 ft/stad x 1 mi / 5,280 ft =
7,285,706.666 ft x 1 mi / 5,280 ft = 1,379.868687 mi

That's 1,379.868 mi for the length, for the width, and for the HEIGHT of the New Jerusalem!

If the New Jerusalem was centered at the same coordinates of the old Jerusalem (31.7683° N, 35.2137° E), then the south side of the city will be just about to the southern border of Egypt! and its north side would be about a third of the way across the Black Sea (which won't be there)! The west side of the city will be out in the Mediterranean Sea (which won't be there), and the east side of the city will be over the northeast area of Iran and better than half of Saudi Arabia!

What's more, the pinnacle of the city will be visible from the western border of China to the land of Morocco and from Norway to Zimbabwe!

 

The old Jerusalem remodeled for the Millennium is said to be 4,500 cubits on a side, using the 21" cubit, as described by Y'chezk'el ("Ezekiel")! (See Ezekiel 40:5.)

4,500 cubits x 21 in/cubit  x 1 ft / 12 in x 1 mi / 5280 ft =
94,500 in x 1 ft / 12 in x 1 mi / 5280 ft = 
7,875 ft x 1 mi / 5,280 ft = 1.49147727272 mi

This will be the length of the city and the width of the city. (We aren't told about its height.)

 

They ARE two different cities.
 

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16 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi Roy.... 

Can you check these numbers please. They are not right

Shalom, JoeCanada.

I started that other thread, New Jerusaelm - Size and Shape, and I see what you mean. I was forgetting that the "measures" were the "reeds" not the "cubits." Sorry about that. You were right on that point. Thanks!