other one Posted January 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,984 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: Jesus is not the "Heavenly Father"...that was the point in the making...and I was asking about the scriptures that show that Jesus is not the "Heavenly Father". Jesus was Yahweh of the old testament. He was/is the God of Israel that Moses, Aaron, and the 74 others saw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted January 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,878 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,770 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, other one said: Jesus was Yahweh of the old testament. He was/is the God of Israel that Moses, Aaron, and the 74 others saw This is the point I was trying to put forward. This is why Jesus never called upon the name of the Lord God Almighty of Israel the Creator of Heaven and earth and man... He only called upon the Heavenly Father. And the Lord God Almighty the Creator of all left everything and was born as a man...after nine months in his mother's womb ...on that night in the town of Bethlehem the night the Angels announce his birth to the Shepherds from the same town... How Ironic as those Shepherds were also the Shepherds that were producing the lambs fit for the sacrifices used in the Temple if this is correctly recorded. This is why during the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan river the voice from Heaven said: when two men were standing side by side John the Baptist and Jesus... "This is my Son my only Son in whom I am well please" and the Holy Spirit descending from Heaven identified the only Son of the Heavenly Father by resting on Jesus or given only to Jesus...the People of Israel did not have a Covenant with the Heavenly Father but only with the one who was preordained to be born in Bethlehem from a woman his mother Mary. The Lord God Jehovah, YHWH. This is why when Jesus died on the Cross the Sinai Covenant was nulified, it ended with the death of Jesus on the Cross, the enforcer of the Sinai Covenant the Lord God Almighty in the flesh the Creator of all and man the Lord of the Sabbath. This is why when God created Adam he did knowing that the day will come that he is going to look and walk on earth just like Adam that he will be found in the form of man only he will be born from a woman and he will have a mother unlikely like Adam...who never experienced Life in the womb of a woman and experience been born...to enter our world through his birth...from the womb...to probe that in all ways he was just like us, a man...divine but still a man...without an earthly Father but still a man in all things like us...he can die...he could be drowned he could be knifed to death he could be stoned to death... Jesus Christ died on the Cross....the Blood of the Atonement always is the blood of the Slain dead sacrificial Lamb. And perfect so those who are Atone are made perfect just as the Lamb was perfect... Edited January 11, 2023 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,059 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted January 12, 2023 THE LORD JESUS CHRIST PSALM 89:34 MY covenant will I not break ---nor alter the thing that is gone out of MY lips--- 1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 and did all drink the same spiritual drink for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them ---and that rock was CHRIST--- --10:5-- but with many of them GOD was not well pleased for they were overthrown in the wilderness --10:6--now these things were our examples to the intent we should not --lust-- after evil things as they also lusted --10:7-- neither be --idolaters-- as were some of them as it is written the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play --10:8-- neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed --and fell in one day three and twenty thousand-- --10:9-- neither let us tempt CHRIST as some of them also tempted --and were destroyed of serpents 10:10 neither murmur you as some of them also murmured and were destroyed of the destroyer --10:11-- now all these things happened unto them for ensamples and they are written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come PSALM 33:9 for HE spake and it was done HE commanded and it stood fast PSALM 19:7 the law of THE LORD is perfect --CONVERTING-- the soul --the TESTIMONY of THE LORD is sure -- making wise the simple-- JOHN 6:63 it is --it is the spirit that quickeneth --- the flesh profiteth nothing-- the words that I speak unto you -- THEY ARE SPIRIT -- AND THEY ARE LIFE-- PSALM 119:36 incline my heart unto thy --TESTIMONIES-- AND NOT TO COVETOUSNESS EZEKIEL 33:21 and they come unto thee as the people cometh and they sit before thee as MY people and they hear thy words but they will not do them for with their mouth they show much love but their heart goeth after their COVETOUSNESS EPHESIANS 5:5 for this you know that no whoremonger **nor unclean person **NOR COVETOUS MAN *** WHO IS AN IDOLATER** hath any inheritance in the kingdom of GOD PSALM 25:10 ALL THE PATHS OF THE LORD ARE MERCY AND TRUTH UNTO SUCH AS KEEP --HIS TESTIMONIES-- REVELATION 19:10 AND I FELL AT HIS FEET TO WORSHIP HIM AND HE SAID UNTO ME SEE THOU DO IT NOT I AM THY FELLOW SERVANT AND OF THY BRETHREN THAT HAVE ---THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS --- WORSHIP GOD FOR --- THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS--- IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY JOHN 3:30 HE MUST INCREASE BUT I MUST DECREASE --3:31-- HE THAT COMETH FROM ABOVE --IS ABOVE ALL-- he that is of the earth is earthly and speaketh of the earth --- HE that cometh from heaven is above all --- --3:32-- AND WHAT HE HATH SEEN AND HEARD ---THAT HE TESTIFIETH--- and no man receiveth HIS testimony --3:33-- he that hath received --HIS TESTIMONY-- HATH SET TO HIS SEAL THAT GOD IS TRUE LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,125 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,656 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 So to greatly simplify. -God existed as three before Jesus was born, meaning they were all three present at creation and long before. -In praying to one we are praying to the other two as well. Seem about right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 205 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,482 Content Per Day: 6.15 Reputation: 2,334 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Starise said: So to greatly simplify. -God existed as three before Jesus was born, meaning they were all three present at creation and long before. -In praying to one we are praying to the other two as well. Seem about right? In all the conversations and consideration I've had regarding the Trinity (which is something of a never ending consideration) I think that (praying to one is praying to all) is the bottom line. The Son came to connect us to God and the Spirit flows God into us (using the electrical generation analogy). Edited January 12, 2023 by Vine Abider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,125 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,656 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 I wanted to both like and laugh at the last paragraph but the software only allows me one reaction. Thanks for your comments! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 205 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,482 Content Per Day: 6.15 Reputation: 2,334 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted January 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, Starise said: I wanted to both like and laugh at the last paragraph but the software only allows me one reaction. Thanks for your comments! BTW - I like looking at your face . . . more so than that of a Wookiee. It gives me just a little sense of who I am responding to, and that you're a real person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 12, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,125 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,656 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: BTW - I like looking at your face . . . more so than that of a Wookiee. It gives me just a little sense of who I am responding to, and that you're a real person. Thanks @Vine AbiderYes I see you did the same. I'm not sure where the idea came from to hide pics behind avatars originally and I have done it for years. I am guessing many feel there could be potential security issues. I am not photogenic, but decided to simply use my pic. No pressure on those who don't for their own reasons. Security online is an issue since anyone can take my pic and use it somewhere else, so there is a measure of risk. This happens on Facebook where people will create fake accounts using someone's pic. If you're looking for someone there are ways I won't disclose here. I'm sure you are probably aware of them. I really have nothing to hide. None of my credit cards or accounts need a pic and all are locked down pretty well. Those who can hack smart phones and computers don't need a pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted January 13, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,059 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted January 13, 2023 WHOSE TESTIMONIES???? ISAIAH 42:8 I am THE LORD that is my name --and MY glory will I not give to another neither MY PRAISE to graven images-- PSALM 119:59 -- I thought on my ways and turned my feet unto thy testimonies -- PSALM 119:57 MANY ARE MY PERSECUTERS AND MINE ENEMIES YET DO I NOT DECLINE FROM THY TESTIMONIES JOHN 5:34 BUT I RECEIVE NOT TESTIMONY FROM MAN BUT THESE THINGS --I SAY-- THAT YOU MIGHT BE SAVED 2 TIMOTHY 2:7 consider what I say and --THE LORD-- give thee understanding PSALM 119:168 I HAVE KEPT THY PRECEPTS AND THY TESTIMONIES FOR ALL MY WAYS ARE BEFORE THEE LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted January 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,059 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted January 14, 2023 THE LORDS WORDS / TESTIMONIES JOHN 14:14 IF YOU SHALL ASK ANYTHING IN --MY NAME-- I WILL DO IT --14:14-- if you love ME keep my commandments 1 JOHN 5:14 and this is the confidence that we have in HIM that if we ask anything according to HIS will HE heareth us --5:15-- and if we know that HE hear us whatsoever we ask we know that we have the petitions that we --desired-- of HIM PSALM 10:3 for the wicked boasteth of his hearts desire and blesseth the --THE COVETOUS-- WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH PSALM 73:25 whom have I in heaven but thee and there is none upon earth that --I desire beside thee-- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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