Will the Day of the Lord come as a thief, or will there be signs first?

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The Gospel is the Gospel of Grace of Jesus Christ..

Saved by grace through faith in JESUS CHRIST...no through the Law and the forgiveness of sins by the blood of the Atonements made in the Temple...

But regarding what Paul said in Thes. he did not follow up to teach it and proclaimed it to the other churches.

He said something entirely deferent when it comes to himself at the time of his death...

The same as Peter said about what will happen to him at the time of his death. 

For consideration...

I fall back on "all scripture is God-breathed....good for doctrine..."

[Your closest friendnt]

17 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

I fall back on "all scripture is God-breathed....good for doctrine..."

Paul was a Pharisee and the reference to scriptures is the Tora and the Psalms and the prophets.   

That's all he included in the scriptures that how he argued the Gospel from those scriptures the Tora the Psalms and the Prophets. 

And nothing else..,not the revelation not the epistles from Peter, and John and not from the Gospels which he never read anyone of the above....

He said they are good for teaching. 

He did not say to follow them...to learn something from them....but not to follow them...he caution the people not to follow to give them a blind reading...

God and Jesus said some things which are against the rules are not possible to be done...the rules need to be follow.  

If someone believes in Jesus  Christ....Jesus will not take him before he dies...The believer stands together with the Saved but he will be counted amongs the saved when at the time of his death he is found with the faith of Jesus Christ in his heart...

This is the final judgment...will he be found with the faith of Jesus Christ in his heart? 

God has given the judgment to his Son and the rules of judgment are set and God will not interfere...

God can do many things but not out of the discipline that is set before hand....

If what you said it is truth in the way you have put as an ego display....JESUS WOULD NEVER SAY 

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY BUT TO DRINK THIS CUP...

THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God. the blood of the new Covenant must be shed by the blood of the Lamb and then die...the Atonement was made after the Lamb died...and never before. 

Everyone must die first before his day of Judgment. 

Everyone must be judged while in the body and imediatly after he dies when he is out of the body.

No one can be found in his Heavenly body before his Judgment day...

He must be Judge as he is without his physical body and without his Heavenly body...in case of a believer. 

And while his  body is decaying on earth if it was not burned or eaten by the beasts of the field of the birds of prey...

And we have cannibalism...

The one who has no legs he cannot say that I will never kneel down before Jesus Christ because this is not possible...God will give him legs...this is possible with God,..

[Your closest friendnt]

You are mocking!!!

By saying that when someone dies physically he also dies spiritually...

You must be...

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week

Rev 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded...

Rev 11:- And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth

This is the RESURRECTION...that is at the END!

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

"as it were..."

Means:  a shortened version of "as if it were so" "that is", "just as", "so to speak"

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Even with all that, I think it is very linear

Look at Rev 11:1 & 2- Totally a different vision than the following verses. Easy to see.

Also,

                                       Revelation’s Judgments

Rev 16:12- And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared

Rev 9:14- Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

 

Rev 16:10- And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Rev 9:1 & 2- And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 9:5- …the torment of a scorpion  Rev 9:10- …their power...hurt men

 

Rev 16:8 & 9- And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire

Rev 8:12- And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

 

Rev 16:4- And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood

Rev 8:10- And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

 

Rev 16:3- And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Rev 8:8- And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

 

Rev 16:2- And the first angel went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image

Rev 8:7- The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up

 

                                                           SEALS

Rev 8:1- And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour

Rev 8:3- And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Rev 8:5- And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 

 

                                                     TRUMPETS 

Rev 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:19- And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

                                                            VIALS

 

Rev 16:17- And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Rev

16:18- And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Rev 16:20- And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 16:21- And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

Not strictly linear.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Uriah said:

The second woe comes after the first in ch. 9:13-end of chapter. Then follows other visions-7 thunders, mighty angel w/little book, then the passage of the witnesses. 

"False" The 2nd Woe takes place in the Great earthquake "The Same Hour" after the two witnesses are raised to heaven, the 3rd Woe comes quickly in the 7th Trump, final judgement (The End)

Revelation 11:12-14KJV

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Edited February 1, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Of course it does. Millions have found it. I guess you still have not. I suspect preconceptions in your thinking.

End of what?

Once again, you refrain from posting scripture to support your claims made, because there isn't any

Jesus Is The Lord

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I fall back on "all scripture is God-breathed....good for doctrine..."

The scripture your won't quote to support your claims of a pre-wrath rapture, because it doesn't exist

[Your closest friendnt]

@iamlamad

The Gentiles when they died and went by DEFAULT to the place of the Dead....called this place any name you like...

It is still the place of the dead...Jesus called that place HADES because the God of the dead all the dead was Hades...the underworld was a monotheistic world...

It was ruled by the God of the dead HADES. 

This is the Greek word for the place where the dead were kept and it was named after the God of the dead who was also called Hades...

(read the original scriptures and note that the KJV they have translated the Word Hades whether is referring to the God of the dead or to the place where the dead were kept as "Hell"...a word no where found in the bible...but it was introduced from the British translator because it was close to the cultural name of the place of the dead in their paganism religion).

(Like the have the black Jesus in Africa...)

Back to the issues at hand. 

Hades was the only God in the place of the dead. 

The Lord had given Abraham his own place in the place of the dead....he had separated him on earth from the rest of the world....he set him apart from the rest of the world....thus we have the Gentiles the Abomination the Acrobistia...

The Lord could not be their God no matter what...

He had promised to Abraham to be his God and the God of his chosen children and have the Nation of Israel unto himself...

You understand that this is all till the time Jesus shed the blood of the New Covenant...till the New Covenant came into effect or was ratify. 

Which we only have the New Covenant between Man and God.

No nations no families no genealogies are mention...

This Covenant also includes those who died from the beginning of the world...

Jesus Christ died for the whole world...for ALL. 

This means that everyone in the world alive at the time of Jesus Christ death on the Cross and everyone from the beginning of the world who had died and everyone who is to be born is a partaker in the New Covenant between MAN and God...

Which it includes the right to have their sins forgiven according to the Gospel of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ...

They have the God given right by the new Covenant to have the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ...to be judged accordingly to whether they believed and their sins taken away in the name of Jesus which that will make them righteous persons in Jesus Christ...when your sins are under the Atonic blood of the Lamb you are considered to be in the righteousness of the blood of the Lamb of God which is Jesus Christ...

The Lamb of God because is God and not man who made the evaluation that indeed this Lamb is the Lamb of God. Not only perfect and without any disobedience to God but is also in the Life of God...to be in the Life of God it is that he was the Life from the beginning...

That's why Jesus said "I AM THE LIFE AND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD "...

When a Jew understand that this is about Jesus he believes. There is no any other way He Believes. 

***At the beginning of the Creation of Adam and before his fall they were two who had the Life of God...we understand about Eve...yes Eve also..

But there was only Adam the only man who could reproduce and pass on the Life to his children...as Eve was the female...

They were three with the Life Adam and Eve and their Creator who gave Life to Adam...Eve got her Life from Adam....

When Adam and Eve fall only one was left with the Life and that was their Creator...

We know about the Angels...

But they dis not create man...had nothing to do with the Creation of man...

The only one who had the Life was the Creator of man...

This is why when Jesus was shouting "I an the Life" and "the Light" it was a blasphemy out of proportion they could have killed him that moment but they were afraid of something not only of the people who loved him but of the creative powers of jesus Christ...like Elijah he could bring fire from above...and killed them...so they counsel them selves how to bring him to the court...how to Judge him to death through their Legal system. 

[Keturah 123]

On 1/28/2023 at 2:52 PM, Selah7 said:

We may not know the hour, but we know the season.

1 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the LORD Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the LORD Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:2
We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our LORD Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
 
So it’s noteworthy that this is written to God's Elect.
 
1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:1
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
 
God's Elect should know the season when the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
 
1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

“Sudden destruction” comes upon “they” and “them,” (those not watching), not on God’s Elect.

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

“Ye” are the Elect.

1 Thessalonians 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
 
Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
 
Mark 13:33
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
 
No one knows the instant, but God's Elect know the season.

Daniel 12:9-10
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Revelation 3:2
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Beautifully put into thought. Thank you.

Peace & Blessings upon you & yours.❤️

[Keturah 123]

On 1/28/2023 at 2:56 PM, Vine Abider said:

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." Matt 24:42-44

"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and the day will close on you suddenly like a trap.  For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth.  Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:34-36

If we look at these two passages, the main thought is to "be ready."  If we're careful, watch and pray, we may escape.  On the other hand, most of the earth will be surprised.  We are not to be those and are many, many times we are exhorted to "watch and pray."

(and also what @Selah7 said regarding knowing seasons)

Amen.

Guess I'll do this since my quota on reactions is limited........

May I inquire why the limitations?