Soul Sleep

[Old Timer]

Mark, so if, as you say, when the body dies it is actually sleeping then Satan was correct. "Surely you shall not die."

[Old Timer]

but what DIED-----when they ate the fruit brother?

their SPIRIT----died---and now, had to be born again...

there is both physical/literal, and spiritual applications to the bible.

"Rightly divide the word of truth".....

flesh, begets flesh

spirit begets spirit.

so---the prophecy from God came true TWICE---

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

they died "TWICE"--once spiritually, once physically.

they "spiritually" died(adamic sin), when they disobeyed the command.

but by Gods mercy and grace, they were able to remain alive.

and they died physically,"in the day" they sinned.

2pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

adam lived to be 930 years old---he didnt reach 1000, so he died in the "same day" he sinned.

and no one, has ever lived for 1000 years---1 full day---because of adamic sin.

but during the MK---we will. the 1000 year kingdom, which will be the "7th day"---a one of rest with the Lord.

... and what has all this got to do with "soul sleep?"

[CarolineS]

I don't understand why this whole topic matters. If we do soul sleep, then when we awaken it will seem like no time has passed anyways. You can't really prepare for this type of thing. Don't worry about it.

But it does matter.

This doctrine of the immortal soul originated with Satan in the Garden of Eden. He tempted Eve, told her it was OK to sin. He told her, you will not surely die. It was his first sermon to man. It is a lie. Satan is known as the father of lies.

Man does not have an immortal soul. Only God is immortal. There is not one verse in scripture that states man has an immortal soul. We are not God. We are not immortal.

This belief in an immortal soul is a pagen belief and can be traced back to early pagan religions. It came from that old serpent, Satan, and was a pagan doctrine. It can be found in Eygpt, the Pharisees accepted this doctrine. It was accepted into the Catholic Church, and then into the Protestent Church. It was a Babylonian belief.

The early church did not hold this doctrine. Scripture teaches us that immortality is a gift given to us when Christ returns for the 2nd time.

It is our blessed hope. The church should be greatly longing for the 2nd coming and the resurrection. If everyone dies and immediately enters heaven, why should we look forward to the 2nd coming? Why do we need a resurrection?

This doctrine of the immortal soul is another example of the "babal", the confusion, that exists in the false church. It is just confusion. Think about it. Does the soul go to heaven? Why does the body stay here? If souls can exist in heaven without a body, why come back for it at all?

Why is Jesus coming with our rewards if we die, go to heaven, and immediately receive them? It doesn't make sense.

God is not a God of confusion. Scripture is clear. We die. The body returns to the earth. The soul rests in the arms of Jesus. The spirit (or breath of life) returns to the God who gave it. When Jesus returns the body, soul, and breath of life are reunited and we are alive again. Only this time with a new body.

There is a great reunion of loved ones. We all march into heaven in a glorious parade. There is no sneaking in one at a time. We receive our rewards. It will be glorious, beautiful, we will be surrounded by thousands of angels to welcome us home.

Belief in an immortal soul is belief in spiritualism. Satan will use this doctrine in the last days to deceive people. Spirits will appear, claiming to be lost loved ones. They will spread lies about God, the only way to salvation, and will cause many to lose their eternal reward. That's why it is so important to know the Word.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

Adam was created in the image of God---he had an eternal soul, to go with an eternal spirit.

they never die/sleep.

only the body does. and it---gets resurrected, REGARDLESS, of who you are.

its ETERNAL.

the GWT lasts forever, as does NJ.

Scripture does not support the doctrine of the immortal soul. This is spiritualism. All other religions, except Christianity, teach this doctrine.

If you believe this doctrine, please show scripture that states man has an "immortal soul." Surely, if God wants us to believe this, there is scripture to support it. You need to do some research into early church history. And you need to study God's Word.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

Greetings,

My daughter is in the 4th grade. She is studying the branches of gov. and some of our national monuments.

We came across a picture of the WWII Memorial. Here is what is inscribed on the monument:

"Sleep, my sons, your duty done...For freedoms light has come.

Sleep in the silent depths of the sea, or in your bed of hallowed sod.

Until you hear at dawn the low, clear reveille of God."

I just thought it was interesting. It goes to show that at one time our theology on this issue was correct.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

I don't understand why this whole topic matters. If we do soul sleep, then when we awaken it will seem like no time has passed anyways. You can't really prepare for this type of thing. Don't worry about it.

But it does matter.

This doctrine of the immortal soul originated with Satan in the Garden of Eden. He tempted Eve, told her it was OK to sin. He told her, you will not surely die. It was his first sermon to man. It is a lie. Satan is known as the father of lies.

Man does not have an immortal soul. Only God is immortal. There is not one verse in scripture that states man has an immortal soul. We are not God. We are not immortal.

This belief in an immortal soul is a pagen belief and can be traced back to early pagan religions. It came from that old serpent, Satan, and was a pagan doctrine. It can be found in Eygpt, the Pharisees accepted this doctrine. It was accepted into the Catholic Church, and then into the Protestent Church. It was a Babylonian belief.

The early church did not hold this doctrine. Scripture teaches us that immortality is a gift given to us when Christ returns for the 2nd time.

It is our blessed hope. The church should be greatly longing for the 2nd coming and the resurrection. If everyone dies and immediately enters heaven, why should we look forward to the 2nd coming? Why do we need a resurrection?

This doctrine of the immortal soul is another example of the "babal", the confusion, that exists in the false church. It is just confusion. Think about it. Does the soul go to heaven? Why does the body stay here? If souls can exist in heaven without a body, why come back for it at all?

Why is Jesus coming with our rewards if we die, go to heaven, and immediately receive them? It doesn't make sense.

God is not a God of confusion. Scripture is clear. We die. The body returns to the earth. The soul rests in the arms of Jesus. The spirit (or breath of life) returns to the God who gave it. When Jesus returns the body, soul, and breath of life are reunited and we are alive again. Only this time with a new body.

There is a great reunion of loved ones. We all march into heaven in a glorious parade. There is no sneaking in one at a time. We receive our rewards. It will be glorious, beautiful, we will be surrounded by thousands of angels to welcome us home.

Belief in an immortal soul is belief in spiritualism. Satan will use this doctrine in the last days to deceive people. Spirits will appear, claiming to be lost loved ones. They will spread lies about God, the only way to salvation, and will cause many to lose their eternal reward. That's why it is so important to know the Word.

In Christ,

CarolineS