Revelation's Future events ?

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 2/16/2023 at 9:11 AM, Bible_Gazer said:

So the "here after" is a about 1,900 years separation from the letters to the seven churches until Rev.4 starts ???

That nothing in Revelation reveals anything during the last 1,900 years .

Is there anybody that see it differently ? 

Yes exactly, it's hard for me to believe that nothing of the last 2000 years would be prophesied in scripture. Especially something like ww2 and the holocaust, certainly that has to be somewhere, and it is, in Revelation chapter 6.

 

Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith...
who is set down at the right hand of the Father"

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

"...while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him
out of their sight"

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into the sky?
this same Jesus... shall come again in like manner"
Acts 1:9-11

 

Revelation 5
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a scroll..."
"the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Rood of David,
has overcome to open the book" 5:5

He has overcome to (or in order to) open the book.

"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals...." 6:1

And so when was that?

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

2000 years ago.

I believe He ascended up, sat down, and opened the book.
That is part of what His death and resurrection achieved,
it made Him worthy to open the book that was already there.

And so from our perspective now much of Revelation 6
has happened and is happening:

White - conquest and formation of the worlds nations as we have them now,
the arrival of beast number 1 which is a kingdom. [Rev 17:8-12]
One prominent figure during this time was Napoleon.

Red - world wide war, one prominent figure was Hitler.
The last war Poland fought in before Hitler was during the Napoleon era.
In China children were mandated to carry around little red books.
The time was literally red in many ways.

Black - now is the black horse time, world wide major economic collapse,
at some point it will climax, and bread will be 50 dollars.

Pale - Death personified, the anti-Christ period of time, beast 2.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord; 6:9-11.
Then the day of the Lord happens; 6:12-17.

Then Revelation repeats the same prophecy using different
visions each giving different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And it let's the visions overlap, and assumes that the reader has already read the previous visions.

This is evident by the end of Revelation six matching very well with other prophecy about the day of the Lord, [Joel 2:10, Isaiah 2:19, Matthew 24:29]
and Rev 9:11, 11:7, and 17:8.

And we can see the economic collapse that is at this point clearly happening.

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

33 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Yes exactly, it's hard for me to believe that nothing of the last 2000 years would be prophesied in scripture. Especially something like ww2 and the holocaust, certainly that has to be somewhere, and it is, in Revelation chapter 6.

 

Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith...
who is set down at the right hand of the Father"

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

"...while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him
out of their sight"

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into the sky?
this same Jesus... shall come again in like manner"
Acts 1:9-11

 

Revelation 5
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a scroll..."
"the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Rood of David,
has overcome to open the book" 5:5

He has overcome to (or in order to) open the book.

"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals...." 6:1

And so when was that?

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

2000 years ago.

I believe He ascended up, sat down, and opened the book.
That is part of what His death and resurrection achieved,
it made Him worthy to open the book that was already there.

And so from our perspective now much of Revelation 6
has happened and is happening:

White - conquest and formation of the worlds nations as we have them now,
the arrival of beast number 1 which is a kingdom. [Rev 17:8-12]
One prominent figure during this time was Napoleon.

Red - world wide war, one prominent figure was Hitler.
The last war Poland fought in before Hitler was during the Napoleon era.
In China children were mandated to carry around little red books.
The time was literally red in many ways.

Black - now is the black horse time, world wide major economic collapse,
at some point it will climax, and bread will be 50 dollars.

Pale - Death personified, the anti-Christ period of time, beast 2.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord; 6:9-11.
Then the day of the Lord happens; 6:12-17.

Then Revelation repeats the same prophecy using different
visions each giving different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And it let's the visions overlap, and assumes that the reader has already read the previous visions.

This is evident by the end of Revelation six matching very well with other prophecy about the day of the Lord, [Joel 2:10, Isaiah 2:19, Matthew 24:29]
and Rev 9:11, 11:7, and 17:8.

And we can see the economic collapse that is at this point clearly happening.

 

 

 

The Antichrist must be revealed to the world and Church on earth, this starts the 3.5 year tribulation

The false prophet will perform false miracles, in calling fire down from heaven, he will use this to "Deceive" the world into taking the mark and worshipping the image, "Beware"!

Jesus Is The Lord

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Edited March 27, 2023 by truth7t7

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/27/2023 at 6:27 AM, truth7t7 said:

The Antichrist must be revealed to the world and Church on earth, this starts the 3.5 year tribulation

Yes, the Pale horse is the anti-Christ period of time, which is after the black horse time, which is now. I believe that it's actually 70 years that the beasts have, and so the first seven will be extremely deceptive.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
Matthew 24:24
2nd Thessalonians 2:9
Daniel 11:39
Revelation 6:7-8
Revelation 9:11
Revelation 13:11- 14-18

 

 

[farouk]

On 3/27/2023 at 6:54 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Yes exactly, it's hard for me to believe that nothing of the last 2000 years would be prophesied in scripture. Especially something like ww2 and the holocaust, certainly that has to be somewhere, and it is, in Revelation chapter 6.

 

Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and finisher of our faith...
who is set down at the right hand of the Father"

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

"...while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him
out of their sight"

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand you gazing up into the sky?
this same Jesus... shall come again in like manner"
Acts 1:9-11

 

Revelation 5
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a scroll..."
"the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Rood of David,
has overcome to open the book" 5:5

He has overcome to (or in order to) open the book.

"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals...." 6:1

And so when was that?

When did He sit down at the right hand of the Father?

2000 years ago.

I believe He ascended up, sat down, and opened the book.
That is part of what His death and resurrection achieved,
it made Him worthy to open the book that was already there.

And so from our perspective now much of Revelation 6
has happened and is happening:

White - conquest and formation of the worlds nations as we have them now,
the arrival of beast number 1 which is a kingdom. [Rev 17:8-12]
One prominent figure during this time was Napoleon.

Red - world wide war, one prominent figure was Hitler.
The last war Poland fought in before Hitler was during the Napoleon era.
In China children were mandated to carry around little red books.
The time was literally red in many ways.

Black - now is the black horse time, world wide major economic collapse,
at some point it will climax, and bread will be 50 dollars.

Pale - Death personified, the anti-Christ period of time, beast 2.

Then the saints cry out for the day of the Lord; 6:9-11.
Then the day of the Lord happens; 6:12-17.

Then Revelation repeats the same prophecy using different
visions each giving different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And it let's the visions overlap, and assumes that the reader has already read the previous visions.

This is evident by the end of Revelation six matching very well with other prophecy about the day of the Lord, [Joel 2:10, Isaiah 2:19, Matthew 24:29]
and Rev 9:11, 11:7, and 17:8.

And we can see the economic collapse that is at this point clearly happening.

 

 

 

I do think that the unfolding of events on earth as prophesied relate to events after the church has gone. (Today what we may see could be precursors to such events, although not their complete and primary fulfillment.)

[Desopixi Seilynam]

21 minutes ago, farouk said:

I do think that the unfolding of events on earth as prophesied relate to events after the church has gone.

From where do you gather the church will be gone?
In Revelation 6:9-11 the saints cry out for the day of the Lord.
Revelation 14:13 speaks of people dying in the Lord 'from henceforth'.
 

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

From where do you gather the church will be gone?
In Revelation 6:9-11 the saints cry out for the day of the Lord.
Revelation 14:13 speaks of people dying in the Lord 'from henceforth'.
 

I would see the church being caught up in 1 Cor. 11.26; 1 Thess.4.

'The day of the Lord' sounds more like events on earth after the church has gone; and I would see saints in Matthew 24, etc., as being tribulation saints rather than the church.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/28/2023 at 9:13 AM, farouk said:

I would see the church being caught up in 1 Cor. 11.26; 1 Thess.4.

'The day of the Lord' sounds more like events on earth after the church has gone; and I would see saints in Matthew 24, etc., as being tribulation saints rather than the church.

Do you mean 1 Cor 15:23-26? Notice that it goes in the same order as Ezekiel 37 - 39
and Revelation 20:4-10; first resurrection, reign, ultimate ending.

And Paul in Second Thessalonians makes
clear that he is talking about The day of the Lord:

"And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
[in the clouds, in the air, 1 Thess 4:16-17]
with His holy angels. [Matthew 24:31]
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, [Joel 2:3, Psalm 58:10]
and that obey not the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ....
When He shall come to be glorified in His saints [Jude 1:14-15]
and to be admired by all them that believe...
in that day."
2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10

[iamlamad]

On 2/10/2023 at 9:20 AM, Bible_Gazer said:

I seem to have read that some believe that everything after the 5th chapter is all future.

They use the 5th chapter when all who made it into heaven.  

It also mention about a gathering in Rev.7 and Rev.21,22 .

So is every chapters after the 5th chapter really all   all future ?  Nothing pertaining to the past or present day ?

Is everything in consecutive order or does it jump around from different events of things going to happen as being told to John.

Some think if i remember correctly that there is no church after the 5th chapter ? but yet people will still get saved .

Many people believe myths. The classical pretrib theory is that the rapture is in Rev. 4:1. That is a myth. That was John caught up around 95 AD. 

The truth is, we have been waiting at the 5th seal (Martyrs of the church age) for that final church age martyr. Next will be the rapture, then the beginning of the Day of the Lord at the 6th seal.

[choir loft]

On 2/10/2023 at 9:20 AM, Bible_Gazer said:

I seem to have read that some believe that everything after the 5th chapter is all future.

They use the 5th chapter when all who made it into heaven.  

It also mention about a gathering in Rev.7 and Rev.21,22 .

So is every chapters after the 5th chapter really all   all future ?  Nothing pertaining to the past or present day ?

Is everything in consecutive order or does it jump around from different events of things going to happen as being told to John.

Some think if i remember correctly that there is no church after the 5th chapter ? but yet people will still get saved .

People were "getting saved" long before there was a church.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...