FJK Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.77 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: I believe scripture is pretty specific about the end times and those who are killed for preaching the gospel.It pretty much pin points an exact location concerning these events.Like Maybe, but that doesn't exclude it happening elsewhere does it? Already we are seeing priests, evangelists, and others professing Christianity being arrested and imprisoned for it in places like Canada, the United States, and several European countries that are giving themselves over to false and secular religious beliefs. It won't be governments alone that do the killings of Christians, it will be all sorts of non-governmental groups and individuals that hate them as well as governments. This is seen beginning today in places like Mexico with the Satanic and occultic cartels taking the lead in it (beheading by them is becoming more and more common there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/8/2023 at 7:10 AM, tatwo said: I would not necessarily word it like that..."can be taken now" like you take aspirin...whoever does not have the mark of God...has the MOTB...that does mean now...and millions of people are sporting it. Tatwo...:) No one has the mark of the beast right now. This will happen when the beast and anti-christ are in control of the world system. Serving the devil in the church age (which is where we are right now) is not the same as having the mark of the beast. The lost can still be saved today, but those who take the mark of the beast will not be able to be saved. No one has the mark of the beast today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.77 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 minute ago, BibleWords said: The lost can still be saved today, but those who take the mark of the beast will not be able to be saved. This is what seems to be true in my understanding, but a question just came to mind as I was thinking about it: How should a Christian treat those carrying the Mark? Are they to be treated the same as the anti-Christians are today with full respect due them under God's laws about men or differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 25, 2023 A Christian would only ever encounter anyone with the mark of the beast if they were a tribulation saint (saved after the rapture). The mark of the beast is confined to the tribulation. The tribulation saint would have no chance to convert a worshipper of the beast, which is what anyone with the mark is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, FJK said: Maybe, but that doesn't exclude it happening elsewhere does it? Already we are seeing priests, evangelists, and others professing Christianity being arrested and imprisoned for it in places like Canada, the United States, and several European countries that are giving themselves over to false and secular religious beliefs. It won't be governments alone that do the killings of Christians, it will be all sorts of non-governmental groups and individuals that hate them as well as governments. This is seen beginning today in places like Mexico with the Satanic and occultic cartels taking the lead in it (beheading by them is becoming more and more common there). I'm pretty sure scripture is talking about the pleasant land where the little horn resides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatwo Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 581 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/18/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 hours ago, BibleWords said: No one has the mark of the beast right now. This will happen when the beast and anti-christ are in control of the world system. Serving the devil in the church age (which is where we are right now) is not the same as having the mark of the beast. The lost can still be saved today, but those who take the mark of the beast will not be able to be saved. No one has the mark of the beast today. Interesting...what is the MOTB? Tatwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 25, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 25, 2023 We are not told exactly how it will be implemented but we are told that everyone who takes it will be not be able to be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatwo Posted April 27, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 581 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/18/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 10:07 AM, BibleWords said: No one has the mark of the beast right now. This will happen when the beast and anti-christ are in control of the world system. You state that…“When”…the beast and the anti-christ are in control of the “world system.” You are of the opinion…that is yet in the future…so naturally then the MOTB would not exist yet…ok I see your reasoning. Who is in control of the “world system” right now? Tatwo...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatwo Posted April 27, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 581 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/18/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 10:07 AM, BibleWords said: Serving the devil in the church age (which is where we are right now) is not the same as having the mark of the beast. Did I understand you to say…that serving the devil aka Satan…dragon…serpent…in this current “church age” today…is not counted as having the MOTB? So the beast is not yet in any way in control or power over the “world system” as you see it…ok...interesting? You also say the serving the devil and the beast is different? As I understand it…the MOTB is that “mark” that signifies those whom are enslaved to the beast…it signifies to whom ones soul is pledged…whom ones master is…to whom one is subservient...the one that those with the MOTB worship. Interestingly...as it is written…”…all the world marveled and followed the beast…So they worshiped the dragon [Satan, devil, serpent] who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast.” So how is serving/worshipping the devil not the same as serving/worshipping the beast? As you are presenting it here…BibleWords...the beast is not Satan the dragon? Who happens to be both the “spirit” of the devil and the “spirit” that empowers the beast one and the same? Who is the beast…if he is not the devil and Satan incarnate in some form? Who is accredited as the source of the beast’s authority? The authority by which the MOTB is issued? Tatwo...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted April 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.77 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2023 1 minute ago, tatwo said: Who is in control of the “world system” right now? Maybe a better way to ask that would be who is gaining control of the world system right now? The way I see it is that there is still a fight among those in high places for control taking place at this time with an eventual unifying "who" not yet fully decided. But that's just the way I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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