The tribulation saints

[Shilohsfoal]

In revelation 12 we see the woman flee into the wilderness where she is out of the serpents reach and the earth helps the woman.

But the remnant of her seed remains with the serpent.Heres the question.

Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman and instead remain behind with the seven headed,ten horned serpent?

 

 

Revelation 12

¹⁴ The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

 ¹⁵ Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 

¹⁶ But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

 ¹⁷ Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

The answer is found in the gospel,in the testimony of Jesus.

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

In revelation 12 we see the woman flee into the wilderness where she is out of the serpents reach and the earth helps the woman.

But the remnant of her seed remains with the serpent.Heres the question.

Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman and instead remain behind with the seven headed,ten horned serpent?

 

 

Revelation 12

¹⁴ The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

 ¹⁵ Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 

¹⁶ But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

 ¹⁷ Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The remnant are the jews who do not take part into the wilderness.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/227900-woman-of-revelation-12/

 

[Shilohsfoal]

18 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

The remnant are the jews who do not take part into the wilderness.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/227900-woman-of-revelation-12/

 

One bible verse explains why they don't don't go into the wilderness out of reach from the serpent.

What does Jesus say to them in the gospel that causes them to stay?

 

Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman and instead remain behind with the seven headed,ten horned serpent?

Edited May 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

One bible verse explains why they don't don't go into the wilderness out of reach from the serpent.

What does Jesus say to them in the gospel that causes them to stay?

 

Why do those who keep God's commandments and hold fast the testimony of Jesus  not flee into the wilderness with the woman and instead remain behind with the seven headed,ten horned serpent?

They don't live in Israel.

[Shilohsfoal]

3 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

They don't live in Israel.

You believe the tribulation saints that Jesus said will be persecuted in the cities of  Israel are not in Israel?

 

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The reason the tribulation saints don't flee into the wilderness with the woman is because Jesus commanded them to stay in Israel and preach to the lost sheep of Israel until he comes.

 

commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

⁶ But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

⁷ And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

⁹ Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

¹⁰ Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

¹¹ And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

¹² And when ye come into an house, salute it.

¹³ And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

¹⁴ And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

¹⁵ Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

¹⁶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

¹⁷ But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

¹⁸ And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

¹⁹ But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

²⁰ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

[LiveWire]

10 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The reason the tribulation saints don't flee into the wilderness with the woman is because Jesus commanded them to stay in Israel and preach to the lost sheep of Israel until he comes.

 

commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

⁶ But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

⁷ And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

⁹ Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

¹⁰ Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

¹¹ And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

¹² And when ye come into an house, salute it.

¹³ And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

¹⁴ And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

¹⁵ Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

¹⁶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

¹⁷ But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

¹⁸ And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

¹⁹ But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

²⁰ For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

²¹ And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

²² And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

²³ But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

The Tribulation Saints/Great Multitude from Every Nation, Tongue, Creed takes place in last 2 years of 7 year Tribulation.

 

Now, since I do not believe in pre-Trib but rather pre-Wrath Rapture, the Marriage Supper Saints will happen in the Tribulation period of how it was like Lot and Noah, same ole same ole every day looks the same.  They get Rapture'd in the first couple years of the 7 year Tribulation.   Then there's the 144k and the Great Multitude at latter half and final 2 years of 7 year Tribulation.   Plus, we cannot forget the Beheaded at just after Midpoint headed into year 4 of the 7 year Tribulation.

 

Israel practices "3" Harvests per Year.   God will also keep with what He already has set-up [Same Yesterday-Today-4evA]

[Shilohsfoal]

8 minutes ago, LiveWire said:

The Tribulation Saints/Great Multitude from Every Nation, Tongue, Creed takes place in last 2 years of 7 year Tribulation.

 

Now, since I do not believe in pre-Trib but rather pre-Wrath Rapture, the Marriage Supper Saints will happen in the Tribulation period of how it was like Lot and Noah, same ole same ole every day looks the same.  They get Rapture'd in the first couple years of the 7 year Tribulation.   Then there's the 144k and the Great Multitude at latter half and final 2 years of 7 year Tribulation.   Plus, we cannot forget the Beheaded at just after Midpoint headed into year 4 of the 7 year Tribulation.

 

Israel practices "3" Harvests per Year.   God will also keep with what He already has set-up [Same Yesterday-Today-4evA]

7 year tribulation is not even biblical.

Daniel 7:25

He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
 

The saints are given into his hand for 3.5 years.Not 1,2,4 or 7.

A time=1

+Times=2

+Half a time=1/2

=3 1/2 years.

 

 

[LiveWire]

6 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

7 year tribulation is not even biblical.

Daniel 7:25

He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
 

The saints are given into his hand for 3.5 years.Not 1,2,4 or 7.

A time=1

+Times=2

+Half a time=1/2

=3 1/2 years.

 

 

Agreed, but the times are typically added together to create a week.