Little help will arrive

[Shilohsfoal]

8 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Please post your claim of "Saints" seen in Revelation chapter 13 that is the "Church", waiting?

I already have in the other thread .But you don't believe saints are members of the church of Jesus Christ so what would be the point in posting the verse again?

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

46 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Please post your claim of "Saints" seen in Revelation chapter 13 that is the "Church", waiting?

Ok here,since you can't find it in the bible.But you probably still reject the word of God that these are actually saints.Holy people in Christ.

Revelation 13

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

And here are the same saints.

Daniel 7

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

and here are those same saints.

Mathew 24

⁹ Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

 

And here are those exact same saints yet again.

 

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

last but not least,here are those same saints who were killed by the beast in revelation 13.

 

Revelation 20

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Edited May 13, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Ok here,since you can't find it in the bible.But you probably still reject the word of God that these are actually saints.Holy people in Christ.

Revelation 13

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

And here are the same saints.

Daniel 7

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

and here are those same saints.

Mathew 24

⁹ Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

 

And here are those exact same saints yet again.

 

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

last but not least,here are those same saints who were killed by the beast in revelation 13.

 

Revelation 20

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The saints being overcome and killed are the (Two Witnesses) not the (Church) as claimed

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

[Shilohsfoal]

20 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The saints being overcome and killed are the (Two Witnesses) not the (Church) as claimed

Revelation 11:7KJV

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

So you believe these wise leaders in Daniel 33 who die by fire and sword,or jailed and robbed are two witnesses being killed by the beast from the bottomless Pitt and that in this persecution the two witnesses are refined and cleaned up untill the time of the end?

 

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

Now I thought you said the two witnesses were in control during this tribulation in the above verses.

Obviously ,if they were the saints who are killed during this time of tribulation,then they are not in control.

But if the two witnesses are persecuting the wise leaders in the above verses,then I would agree that the two witnesses are in control up till the time the king of the south attacks them in Daniel 11:40.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe these wise leaders in Daniel 33 who die by fire and sword,or jailed and robbed are two witnesses being killed by the beast from the bottomless Pitt and that in this persecution the two witnesses are refined and cleaned up untill the time of the end?

 

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

Now I thought you said the two witnesses were in control during this tribulation in the above verses.

Obviously ,if they were the saints who are killed during this time of tribulation,then they are not in control.

But if the two witnesses are persecuting the wise leaders in the above verses,then I would agree that the two witnesses are in control up till the time the king of the south attacks them in Daniel 11:40.

The (Saints) seen in Daniel 7:21-22 is seen in a parallel reading of Revelation 11:7-15 below 

Revelation 11:7 is parallel to Daniel 7:21, and Revelation 11:15 is parallel to Daniel 7:22

There Ya Have It, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 7:21-22KJV

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 11:7-15KJV

 

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Edited May 14, 2023 by truth7t7

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The (Saints) seen in Daniel 7:21-22 is seen in a parallel reading of Revelation 11:7-15 below 

Revelation 11:7 is parallel to Daniel 7:21, and Revelation 11:15 is parallel to Daniel 7:22

There Ya Have It, Jesus Is The Lord

Daniel 7:21-22KJV

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 11:7-15KJV

 

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You seem to be avoiding the topic of the thread and derailing the thread on purpose.

Is there a reason you are avoiding the topic and the verses the topic is contained in ?

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You seem to be avoiding the topic of the thread and derailing the thread on purpose.

Is there a reason you are avoiding the topic and the verses the topic is contained in ?

 

 

 

You will closely note you quoted Daniel 7:21 regarding the "Saints" and I responded to this with my post,

I can't understand your false claims that I'm derailing the thread

You quoted Daniel 7:21 and I responded with its interpretation

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited May 14, 2023 by truth7t7

[Shilohsfoal]

34 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

You will closely note you quoted Daniel 7:21 regarding the "Saints" and I responded to this with my post,

I can't understand your false claims that I'm derailing the thread

You quoted Daniel 7:21 and I responded with its interpretation

Jesus Is The Lord

No ,that's not what you responded to.Go back and read the the text you responded to.

I was talking about the topic.This

 

Daniel 11:33

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

You even quoted this and still avoided it altegether.lol

Edited May 14, 2023 by Shilohsfoal