Which is it?

[douggg]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Do you agree or disagree with Daniel that the great tribulation (caused by the abomination of desolation )takes place at this time?

Daniel 12:1

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

At that time, the end times, when the willful king (the beast king) is in power  Michael with stand up.

In Revelation 12, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses in verse 11 feeding Israel the word of God in their prophesying; in Revelation 12:7-9 Michael will stand up, and lead his angels against Satan and his angels in a war in the second heaven.

Satan and his angels lose and will be cast down to earth, as their mystery kingdom of Babylon the Great will be fallen, is fallen at that time.     The complete destruction of their kingdom is a time, times, half time later when Jesus returns to this earth.

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Uriah said:

Uriah, on your timeline chart, I think you made a mistake in overlaping the 1260 days with the 42 months.  because....

The 1260 days are also in Revelation 12:6 - followed by the war in heaven, and Satan being cast down for the Revelation 12:14 time/times/half time left in the 7 years.

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Here is a timeline chart I made showing the placement of the 1260 days which corresponds to both Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6.         

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by douggg

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

At that time, the end times, when the willful king (the beast king) is in power  Michael with stand up.

In Revelation 12, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses in verse 11 feeling Israel the word of God in their prophesying; in Revelation 12:7-9 Michael will stand up, and lead his angels against Satan and his angels in a war in the second heaven.

Satan and his angels lose and will be cast down to earth, as their mystery kingdom of Babylon the Great will be fallen, is fallen at that time.     The complete destruction of their kingdom is a time, times, half time later when Jesus returns to this earth.

 

 

 

 

Your saying Jesus returns a time ,times and a half after the resurrection of those who sleep in the dust of the earth in Daniel 12:2?

Who exactly are you claiming raises them from their graves?

Daniel 12:1

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

[douggg]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Your saying Jesus returns a time ,times and a half after the resurrection of those who sleep in the dust of the earth in Daniel 12:2?

Who exactly are you claiming raises them from their graves?

No.   The rapture/resurrection event takes place on an unknown day, but must take place before the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

Those are them of the Jews who turn to Jesus during the great tribulation and are among those in Revelation 20:4 resurrected at the beginning of the millennium.

The ones resurrected to reproach and everlasting shame, as related to being part of Israel, are them who refused Jesus during their life times, and will be resurrected for the great white throne judgment, after the millennium is over.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, douggg said:

No.   The rapture/resurrection event takes place on an unknown day, but must take place before the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4.

 

 

Those are them of the Jews who turn to Jesus during the great tribulation and are among those in Revelation 20:4 resurrected at the beginning of the millennium.

The ones resurrected to reproach and everlasting shame, as related to being part of Israel, are them who refused Jesus during their life times, and will be resurrected for the great white throne judgment, after the millennium is over.

 

Not according to Daniel and Jesus.

I've just showed you when the abomination of desolation would be placed by Jesus and Daniels words .You said you agreed with Jesus and Daniel but now you are in disagreement with them.

You seem to be quite mixed up.

[douggg]

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

Not according to Daniel and Jesus.

I've just showed you when the abomination of desolation would be placed by Jesus and Daniels words .You said you agreed with Jesus and Daniel but now you are in disagreement with them.

You seem to be quite mixed up.

No, the confusion is with you.

I have timeline charts and timing charts and you don't.    

 

 

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

29 minutes ago, douggg said:

No, the confusion is with you.

I have timeline charts and timing charts and you don't.    

 

 

 

 

 

Your charts are in error

[bloom]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

According to Jesus ,when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem ,then the people in Judea will flee to the mountains.

If no one fled in fled in 688,then the abomination of desolation wasn't put in Jerusalem in 688.

And what do you "understand" Jesus was describing?

[Uriah]

19 hours ago, douggg said:

Uriah, on your timeline chart, I think you made a mistake in overlaping the 1260 days with the 42 months.  because....

The 1260 days are also in Revelation 12:6 - followed by the war in heaven, and Satan being cast down for the Revelation 12:14 time/times/half time left in the 7 years.

No mistake. You are adding two statements of time into a 7 yr. period. The 42 months are listed for the reign of anti Christ. 1260 days are listed for the two witnesses and the woman in Rev. 12. It is the beast who arises from the bottomless pit who kills the two witnesses. I think that would be in the first half of the sc called 7 yr. tribulation. but as I stated. he reigns for 43 months only. So where do you get 7 yrs.?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, bloom said:

And what do you "understand" Jesus was describing?

An object placed in Jerusalem that would cause great distress,the likes of which has never been seen upon earth since there was ever a nation to that time or ever shall be.An object that destroys flesh.

 

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

¹⁷ Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

¹⁸ Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

¹⁹ And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

²⁰ But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

²² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

According to Daniel the object that causes desolation. Is placed in Jerusalem by the armed forces of the north.

Daniel 11:31

“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.