Many doubts about Christianity

[JesusismyLord]

the prophecy was fulfilled in the with Isaiah's own child.

verse 16 says"for before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings" I dont remember this hapenning during the time of christ.

[Guest yod]

Oh...I remember you now.

You are the anti-missionary who came in a few months back trying to pose as a christian.

Then disappeared when I figured you out.

Shalom!

Why be so deceptive? Why lie about who you are and why you're here?

You want to talk about it? Let's mix it up but pahleeze quit the charade

[JesusismyLord]

Oh...I remember you now.

You are the anti-missionary who came in a few months back trying to pose as a christian.

Then disappeared when I figured you out.

Shalom!

Why be so deceptive? Why lie about who you are and why you're here?

You want to talk about it? Let's mix it up but pahleeze quit the charade

check my post history, you got the wrong guy mixed up with me.

[Ovedya]

Oh...I remember you now.

You are the anti-missionary who came in a few months back trying to pose as a christian.

Then disappeared when I figured you out.

Shalom!

Why be so deceptive? Why lie about who you are and why you're here?

You want to talk about it? Let's mix it up but pahleeze quit the charade

check my post history, you got the wrong guy mixed up with me.

Well.....

If you had a new IP address and a new username, then you wouldn't have a post history, would you?

But if Shiloh remembers you....

Tell me, why did you have post a link to an anti-missionary site? That link is now deleted of course, but I still would like to know why, seeing as how Shiloh appears to remember you.

[Guest shiloh357]

the prophecy was fulfilled in the with Isaiah's own child.

verse 16 says"for before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings" I dont remember this hapenning during the time of christ.

The prophecy could not be a reference to Isaiah's own child. It would require Isaiah's wife to be called "almah" which she clearly cannot since "almah" is not a married woman.

[ruah brit]

ok, next lets move to matthews prophecy of the virgin birth, the main word from isiaih 7/:14"almah" in the hebrew means young woman not virgin, even christian bibles clearly translate the word to young woman..check out

A young woman in old testament times was always a virgin. Only a wife or widow was not a virgin. The meaning of things today has degenerated to include sin. It was not so in that day. A promiscuous woman in that day would not have lived long being out of the closet. She would have been stoned or hung at the gate of the city. Then you must realize that it was Gods word that told of the young woman who would give birth so indeed He was speaking of a virgin. I told you where you can find the answers to all of your questions. Ask the Lord for His Spirit.

Denise

[Smalcald]

The bible, the New Testament is not meant as some sort of chess game, or Sadoke puzzle, counting up generations etc. "Oops one generation off here, lets check, it must mean the Sermon on the Mount was wrong", that is just a very child like way of reading scripture.

The books are the recorded oral history of the first believers of Christ, they were given to us by God as His message to us, and for our edification, to strengthen our faith and to help us live our lives, and the bible does that very completely. These writings are music to our ears it is beautiful. They are authenticated to have been written by the people who knew Jesus and by the first believers, those on fire with His love and they make sense they are sermons to all believers today. They were not meant as a logical building block to convince someone that it MUST be true, you won't find that in the bible (yet they are logical). If we look toward logic, then Jesus would never have been raised from the dead, the entire basis of the Christian belief is based upon something medically impossible, overcoming some generation counting problems is small potatoes compared to overcoming a disbelief in the physical resurrection of Christ, and further that this resurrection gave us redemption, that our sins could be washed away, that death itself was defeated. Many did not believe this, many however did, and that message caught fire, it was new it was not an offshoot of something else, and it was and is real.

Start there, start at the core if you can't believe that, then who cares about which generation adds up. If you in your heart don't want to believe, than don't. It is better to start fresh; sometimes we need to go backward before going forward. No amount of apologetic gymnastics is going to convince anyone, it will help the weak in faith, and that is what Christian apologetics is about, but it will never convince someone who does not want to believe.

Peace to you in your journey jesusismylord.

[bgoalie35]

The bible, the New Testament is not meant as some sort of chess game, or Sadoke puzzle, counting up generations etc. "Oops one generation off here, lets check, it must mean the Sermon on the Mount was wrong", that is just a very child like way of reading scripture.

The books are the recorded oral history of the first believers of Christ, they were given to us by God as His message to us, and for our edification, to strengthen our faith and to help us live our lives, and the bible does that very completely. These writings are music to our ears it is beautiful. They are authenticated to have been written by the people who knew Jesus and by the first believers, those on fire with His love and they make sense they are sermons to all believers today. They were not meant as a logical building block to convince someone that it MUST be true, you won't find that in the bible (yet they are logical). If we look toward logic, then Jesus would never have been raised from the dead, the entire basis of the Christian belief is based upon something medically impossible, overcoming some generation counting problems is small potatoes compared to overcoming a disbelief in the physical resurrection of Christ, and further that this resurrection gave us redemption, that our sins could be washed away, that death itself was defeated. Many did not believe this, many however did, and that message caught fire, it was new it was not an offshoot of something else, and it was and is real.

Start there, start at the core if you can't believe that, then who cares about which generation adds up. If you in your heart don't want to believe, than don't. It is better to start fresh; sometimes we need to go backward before going forward. No amount of apologetic gymnastics is going to convince anyone, it will help the weak in faith, and that is what Christian apologetics is about, but it will never convince someone who does not want to believe.

Peace to you in your journey jesusismylord.

Excellent post. I think that about sums it all up. I also have to apologize for one of my earlier posts where I said I agree with the skeptics about the virgin birth prophecy in Isaiah. I had never heard many of the defenses offered here, and I will have to seriously reconsider my position on the subject. But, jesusismylord, please take note, although I did not believe in the prophecy, I still do not let that decide my entire faith. If you are looking for a stone foundation of truth and logic to base your faith on and remove all possible doubts, you will not find it. As smallcald said, you will have to start with the resurrection.

[Guest shiloh357]

I too was changed in 1996 by Jesus Christ, so I know what youre saying, youre not talking to some atheist or secular person, I am born again of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Passover was simply for the jews, it was a sign to the Egyptians that the one true God was coming and he was taking his poeple out of Suffering bondage. If you look into it as some kind of figurative event to happen in the future, then we can use all scripture for any future event right? A s long as it's somehwta close.

Jade your inability to look at the evidence and the possible truth makes you blinded to your faith, thats how I was for years, I would hear stuff that wouldnt make sense with what the bible teaches, but would ignore because jesus is god and it's just satan, but enough of the little doubts add up and you cant live ignoring evidence.

Part of the problem here is that you posts are a constant contradiction. You claim to be born again, but you are defending doctrines that preclude you from being born again in that, they deny validity of the gospel. If you doubt the resurrection, then you must doubt the authenticity of your salvation experience. You are casting doubt on the very foundation of Christianity which is the resurrection. You are casting doubt on the authenticity of Scripture by appealing to Mithra cult to discredit the Bible. Frankly, you are doing EVERYTHING opposite what a New Testament believer would do. You are not bearing the fruit of a believer, but are bearing the fruit of an unbeliever. There is no credibility to your claim to be born again.

Passover was not a sign to the Egyptians. Nowhere does God offer this as a sign to the Egyptians. It was a sign to the Children of Israel. The Passover, like other festivals is a memorial. In Hebrew the word used for memorial relative to Passover in Exodus 12:14 is zichron and means to look forward and to look backward. This can be seen in Scripture given that the Passover is both a memorial look backward at Israel's redemption from Egypt, and (from the perspective of the ancient Israelites) a look forward at Christ as the Passover Lamb. For us as believers it is memorial of both Israel's redemption and Christ's work on the cross, and a look forward the final full redemption prophesied in the book of Revelation. In fact, Revelation is a Passover redeux. It is the Passover story all over again.

All of the Festivals look back and forward. All of the Festivals are memorials, really. Hag Hamatzah is memorial of the unleavened bread eaten in haste during Israeli's redemption from Egypt, Messiah's sinless sacrifice for us, and our future redemption and the eradication of all sin from the universe. Sukkot is a memorial of the wandering in the wilderness and dwelling in tents. It is also a look forward at the Millenial reign of Messiah from His Temple in Jerusalem. I won't go into all of the Festivals but you get the idea. They are all memorials. They speak of past events and events yet to come as well.

[JesusismyLord]

I too was changed in 1996 by Jesus Christ, so I know what youre saying, youre not talking to some atheist or secular person, I am born again of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Passover was simply for the jews, it was a sign to the Egyptians that the one true God was coming and he was taking his poeple out of Suffering bondage. If you look into it as some kind of figurative event to happen in the future, then we can use all scripture for any future event right? A s long as it's somehwta close.

Jade your inability to look at the evidence and the possible truth makes you blinded to your faith, thats how I was for years, I would hear stuff that wouldnt make sense with what the bible teaches, but would ignore because jesus is god and it's just satan, but enough of the little doubts add up and you cant live ignoring evidence.

Part of the problem here is that you posts are a constant contradiction. You claim to be born again, but you are defending doctrines that preclude you from being born again in that, they deny validity of the gospel. If you doubt the resurrection, then you must doubt the authenticity of your salvation experience. You are casting doubt on the very foundation of Christianity which is the resurrection. You are casting doubt on the authenticity of Scripture by appealing to Mithra cult to discredit the Bible. Frankly, you are doing EVERYTHING opposite what a New Testament believer would do. You are not bearing the fruit of a believer, but are bearing the fruit of an unbeliever. There is no credibility to your claim to be born again.

Passover was not a sign to the Egyptians. Nowhere does God offer this as a sign to the Egyptians. It was a sign to the Children of Israel. The Passover, like other festivals is a memorial. In Hebrew the word used for memorial relative to Passover in Exodus 12:14 is zichron and means to look forward and to look backward. This can be seen in Scripture given that the Passover is both a memorial look backward at Israel's redemption from Egypt, and (from the perspective of the ancient Israelites) a look forward at Christ as the Passover Lamb. For us as believers it is memorial of both Israel's redemption and Christ's work on the cross, and a look forward the final full redemption prophesied in the book of Revelation. In fact, Revelation is a Passover redeux. It is the Passover story all over again.

All of the Festivals look back and forward. All of the Festivals are memorials, really. Hag Hamatzah is memorial of the unleavened bread eaten in haste during Israeli's redemption from Egypt, Messiah's sinless sacrifice for us, and our future redemption and the eradication of all sin from the universe. Sukkot is a memorial of the wandering in the wilderness and dwelling in tents. It is also a look forward at the Millenial reign of Messiah from His Temple in Jerusalem. I won't go into all of the Festivals but you get the idea. They are all memorials. They speak of past events and events yet to come as well.

Not true at all, just because one is born again, it doesn;t mean doubt never comes in. Howmany people do you think have been born again and later dumped christianity as a religion. I'm sure tons of people have done it, but that doesn;t mix well with that bullcrap doctrine of once saved always saved, so the excuse is you were never really born again, well my friend I am born again.