Tony17 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 I will end the topic with this When we pray to [Mary], we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her - The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church. That's what they believe. But the Bible says this : “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” - 1 Timothy 2:5. I didn't find anywhere in the Bible that mentions anyone asking someone in heaven to pray for him or her. There is not explained how can saints hear our prayers when god is the only one omnipresent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tony17 said: I will end the topic with this When we pray to [Mary], we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus’ mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her - The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church. That's what they believe. But the Bible says this : “There is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” - 1 Timothy 2:5. I didn't find anywhere in the Bible that mentions anyone asking someone in heaven to pray for him or her. There is not explained how can saints hear our prayers when god is the only one omnipresent. They ask her to pray for them. To quote "Holy Mary pray for our sinners now, and at the hour of our death." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahampaul Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 431 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 263 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/31/1950 Share Posted August 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Tony17 said: I'm not catholic but I stumbled upon many articles regarding whether praying to Mary and other saints is an act of idolatry. Some say yes and some say no. Matthew 4:10 says "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Doesn't this mean praying to saints is idolatry? quite frankly,yes, the dead in Christ (saints) sleep,they cannot hear or see you that includes mary. we are asked by God to make all our requests and petitions to Him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadworm Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 300 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 Tony, you apparently are unaware of the biblical basis cited by Catholics for prayer to deceased saints. Do you even want to learn what this evidence is? Are deceased saints still members of the Body of Christ? If so, why assume that they can no longer pray for us in response to our request that they do so? That doesn't make them "mediators" in any sense different from our intercessory prayers, now does it? A Catholic told me his wife had congestive heart failure. So he took her to the tomb of a saint in Italy and asked for prayer for her healing and the requested miraculous healing occurred! So, Tony, have you or any evangelical you know experienced healing of congestive heart failure in response to prayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.47 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 12 hours ago, Tony17 said: I'm not catholic but I stumbled upon many articles regarding whether praying to Mary and other saints is an act of idolatry. Some say yes and some say no. Matthew 4:10 says "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Doesn't this mean praying to saints is idolatry? Yes, it's not only idolatry but it's also necromancy (occult activity) which the Lord says is grievous sin. And since demons are answering back rather than the departed souls, one opens themself up to demonic oppression or even demonic possession when trying to contact the dead (those that have died physically and have been separated from this world) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.47 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 hours ago, JimmyB said: Jesus told His disciples to pray directly to God. “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name..." Matthew 6:9. Exactly! Some folks just don't follow Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.47 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Anne2 said: "Holy Mary pray for our sinners now, and at the hour of our death." That's occult activity to try and talk to mary or anyone that has passed from this life and is no longer on earth. This opens the door to demonic activity of those that engage in doing this.... which actually explains a lot about catholics. I have family members that converted to catholicism and they are as nutty as one can get. Freaky deaky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.47 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Deadworm said: Tony, you apparently are unaware of the biblical basis cited by Catholics for prayer to deceased saints. Do you even want to learn what this evidence is? Are deceased saints still members of the Body of Christ? If so, why assume that they can no longer pray for us in response to our request that they do so? That doesn't make them "mediators" in any sense different from our intercessory prayers, now does it? A Catholic told me his wife had congestive heart failure. So he took her to the tomb of a saint in Italy and asked for prayer for her healing and the requested miraculous healing occurred! So, Tony, have you or any evangelical you know experienced healing of congestive heart failure in response to prayer? You do know demons do signs and wonders for the purpose of deceiving people to keep them on the wrong track right? Please show in God's Word where Jesus and/or His Apostles taught us to pray to the dead (those that have passed from this life) The reason you cannot find this in scripture is because the Lord and His Apostles never once taught this because it simply is NOT of God. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.63 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 When I was a little boy I was in a Catholic church once with my aunt (scary, scary place). From what I remember about it there were statues and such all over the place and people would bow down and pray to them. It seemed strange to me and somewhat mysterious at the time but I was just a little boy then. Now that I'm an adult and look back on it, the second commandment comes to mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 28, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.47 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2023 You had more spiritual sense as a little boy than many adults do right now! That would have been the Holy Spirit letting you know that place was freaky and not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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